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Subject: Let's choose ten categories for 2Q 2012 SF Challenge "Firsts" /completed
Date Posted: 3/9/2012 1:46 PM ET
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For the third year in a row now, we are having a year-long science fiction reading challenge on this forum.  And starting in 2012 we're trying new quarterly group-consensus topical challenges as well.  For 1Q 2012, this process resulted in the Full Spectrum Challenge that started January 1 and will end March 31.  For 2Q 2012, running from April 1 through June 30, we have just selected "Firsts"  in a Lets Choose Topics thread.  The definition of the "Firsts" topic is author's first works, and other things playing off the word "first".

From a high level, the selection process works like this:

  • Step 1 - Select a broad topic within Science Fiction, before the quarter starts.
  • Step 2 - Select ten categories within that broad topic, before the quarter starts.
  • Step 3 - Read a book for any 3, any 6, or all 10 categories, within the quarter.

This thread is for purposes of Step 2.  I will start the ten-category nomination process by putting "NOMINATE NOW" in the headline of this thread, and by seeding some nominations.  Any one else can nominate additional categories, and we will discuss for at least three days, on this thread.  After that time, I will change the headline of this thead to say "VOTE NOW", and keep the poll open for at least another three days. 

Then I'll close the poll and post the final ten category list for the challenge.  Seed nominations will be in my next post.

-Tom Hl.



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Subject: seed categories nominated
Date Posted: 3/9/2012 1:52 PM ET
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Our broad topic is "Firsts - ten categories of author's first works, and other things playing off the word "first" ".  I'm seeding the process with the following twelve nominations:

  1. First Novel of an American writer
  2. First Novel of a British writer
  3. First Novel of a female writer
  4. First Novel of a male writer
  5. A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
  6. A nominee from the First Year of an Award
  7. The first novel of a series
  8. First Contact
  9. First Landing on the Moon or Mars
  10. First Artificial Intelligence
  11. Last Novel of a writer
  12. Last Human

Please give your thoughts about these categories, nominate others if I missed something you want to see.  I'll announce the start of voting after discussion settles down, in at least three days.

-Tom Hl.



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Date Posted: 3/9/2012 3:24 PM ET
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Much though I am tempted by the bookending possible with "Last novel of a writer" as a category, I don't think I'd feel right voting for it for a "Firsts" topic. Which means I need to come up with an alternative or two. . . so how about. . .

-First novel of an author in translation

-First SF novel by an author from another genre

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I agree with PhoenixFalls in regard to adding Lasts to this category.

I would like to see:

Winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award eg. Locus award , John W Campbell award, Compton Crook award

First novel of an author to win a major science fiction award  eg Connie Willis' first award winning book was Lincoln Dreams but it was the second published.

Edited to add  First person narrative



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PhoenixFalls - Would it be ok to re-word "First novel of an author in translation" so that it also allowed a non-English language first novel to be read in its original language?  On the other hand, I guess as it stands now, it would allow an English language first novel to be read in translation to something else.  Just let me know what is your intention with this category.

PhoenixFalls and garrity - I'm ok using Lasts categories, as that is the inversions of Firsts, sort of like Dystopia is the inversion of Utopia.  We play a 4-handed card game here called Sheepshead, where the goal is for partners to accumulate the most points, but the identify of partners is not determined until the play of cards indicates it.  Well, every once in a while, the play of cards instead indicate a "leaster" where the goal is inverted to be accumulation of the least number of points.  Then every strategy of the game is turned completely upside down, as you conspire to dump points on the others.  Definitely a beer moment when that comes out.  My point is that inversions can be a lot of fun.  At any rate, it will work out in the voting, and I am ok if Last categories make it or not.

-Tom Hl.



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Subject: First Novel winners picked by Locus
Date Posted: 3/10/2012 8:16 PM ET
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http://www.locusmag.com/SFAwards/Db/LocusWinsByCategory.html 

Locus has a category to award first novels.  You can find a list of winners by year here.  I think this would make a good category for us in addition to the recommended reading of firsts from 2011.  So - I guess that's what garrity already said. 

"Lasts" sound like fun to me too.

 

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Tom -- Oh, I wasn't saying you should remove the "Lasts" category. . . just that I won't vote for it. ;) But I'm totally fine with that rewording of the author in translation bit. I'd be in favor of expanding the Locus First Novel category to any year, like Alison suggested! (So maybe that is a separate suggestion, and we'll vote on which we prefer as a group?)

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I think the recommended list for Locus and the award/nominee list are two different things, right?

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From a list of nominees, every year Locus picks a winner.  So yes, two different things. 

Hmm, perhaps Tom is saying the same thing in his point #6 - a nominee from the first year of an award???????



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Date Posted: 3/12/2012 12:28 AM ET
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Oooooh, I forgot that the Locus Award and the Locus Recommended List were two separate things. So then the Alison's suggestion of a Locus Award Winner for Best First Novel (any year) would be a separate category from Tom's suggestion of a book on the 2011 Best First Novel category of the Locus Recommended Reading LIst.

But I understood Tom's #6 as being you read either the winner or one of the nominees from the first year that, say, the Nebula Award was awarded (1966 when, according to Wikipedia, there were a whopping 13 novels nominated). Do I have that right?

Subject: nominations, so far
Date Posted: 3/12/2012 1:16 PM ET
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I think things have clarified.  To be sure, here's the list of category nominations I have so far:

  1. First Novel of an American writer
  2. First Novel of a British writer
  3. First Novel of a female writer
  4. First Novel of a male writer
  5. A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
  6. A nominee from the First Year of an Award (eg. First Year of Nebula Award had 13 nominees)
  7. The first novel of a series
  8. First Contact
  9. First Landing on the Moon or Mars
  10. First Artificial Intelligence
  11. Last Novel of a writer
  12. Last Human
  13. First novel of an author in a language other than English, in translation or in original language
  14. First SF novel by an author from another genre
  15. Winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year (eg. Locus First Novel award , John W Campbell award, Compton Crook award)
  16. First novel of an author to win a major science fiction award (eg Connie Willis' first award winning book was Lincoln Dreams but it was the second published.)
  17. First person narrative
Subject: another category nomination
Date Posted: 3/13/2012 7:46 AM ET
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I was looking at my list of reads from the 1Q challenge, and saw that I read two first novels, but also two second novels.  So that leads to nominated category #18 - for Second Novel of a writer.  It seems like we already have plenty of categories to choose from, but sometimes I'm not so good at predicting what will be popular, so I'm putting it out there as well.

-Tom Hl.



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Subject: vote now
Date Posted: 3/13/2012 6:45 PM ET
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The poll is now open to select the ten categories of our 2Q 2012 SF Challenge "Firsts".  Each voter, whether they have partipated in the process up to this point or not, gets to vote for not more than 10 categories, and I will tabulate the winners after the poll closes on Saturday March 17 at noon CST.  I will break ties if necessary.  At that time I wil post the resulting challenge on a new tracking thread and a new discussion thread.

In order to vote, you can cut and paste the following block - and either cross out or delete the categories you don't want.  Don't worry about the line numbers if they change; I will tally by category title.  You may come back and re-edit your vote up until the time polls close.

  1. First novel of an American writer
  2. First novel of a British writer
  3. First novel of a female writer
  4. First novel of a male writer
  5. A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
  6. A winner or nominee from the first year of an award (eg. The first year of the Nebula Award had 13 nominees)
  7. The first novel of a series
  8. First Contact
  9. First Landing on the Moon or Mars
  10. First Artificial Intelligence
  11. Last novel of a writer
  12. Last Human
  13. First novel of an author in a language other than English (in translation or in original language)
  14. First SF novel by an author from another genre
  15. A winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year (eg. Locus First Novel award , John W Campbell award, Compton Crook award)
  16. First novel of an author to win a major science fiction award (eg Connie Willis' first award winning book was Lincoln Dreams but it was the second published.)
  17. First person narrative
  18. Second novel of a writer
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Ok, my vote goes to:

  1. First novel of an American writer
  2. First novel of a British writer
  3. A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
  4. A winner or nominee from the first year of an award (eg. The first year of the Nebula Award had 13 nominees)
  5. The first novel of a series
  6. A winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year (eg. Locus First Novel award , John W Campbell award, Compton Crook award)
  7. First novel of an author to win a major science fiction award (eg Connie Willis' first award winning book was Lincoln Dreams but it was the second published.)
  8. First person narrative
  9. First Contact
  10. First Landing on the Moon or Mars 
Date Posted: 3/14/2012 1:41 AM ET
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Here're my votes:

  1. First novel of an American writer
  2. First novel of a British writer
  3. First novel of a female writer
  4. First novel of a male writer
  5. Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
  6. A winner or nominee from the first year of an award (eg. The first year of the Nebula Award had 13 nominees)
  7. The first novel of a series
  8. First Contact
  9. First Landing on the Moon or Mars
  10. First Artificial Intelligence
  11. Last novel of a writer
  12. Last Human
  13. First novel of an author in a language other than English (in translation or in original language)
  14. First SF novel by an author from another genre
  15. A winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year (eg. Locus First Novel award , John W Campbell award, Compton Crook award)
  16. First novel of an author to win a major science fiction award (eg Connie Willis' first award winning book was Lincoln Dreams but it was the second published.)
  17. First person narrative
  18. Second novel of a writer
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Date Posted: 3/14/2012 11:36 AM ET
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  1. First novel of an American writer
  2. First novel of a British writer
  3. First novel of a female writer
  4. First novel of a male writer
  5. A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
  6. A winner or nominee from the first year of an award (eg. The first year of the Nebula Award had 13 nominees)
  7. The first novel of a series
  8. First Contact
  9. First Landing on the Moon or Mars
  10. First Artificial Intelligence
  11. Last novel of a writer
  12. Last Human
  13. First novel of an author in a language other than English (in translation or in original language)
  14. First SF novel by an author from another genre
  15. A winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year (eg. Locus First Novel award , John W Campbell award, Compton Crook award)
  16. First novel of an author to win a major science fiction award (eg Connie Willis' first award winning book was Lincoln Dreams but it was the second published.)
  17.  First person narrative
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Date Posted: 3/14/2012 1:40 PM ET
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  1. First novel of an American writer
  2. First novel of a British writer
  3. First novel of a female writer
  4. First novel of a male writer
  5. A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
  6. A winner or nominee from the first year of an award (eg. The first year of the Nebula Award had 13 nominees)
  7. The first novel of a series
  8. First Contact
  9. First Landing on the Moon or Mars
  10. First Artificial Intelligence
  11. Last novel of a writer
  12. Last Human
  13. First novel of an author in a language other than English (in translation or in original language)
  14. First SF novel by an author from another genre
  15. A winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year (eg. Locus First Novel award , John W Campbell award, Compton Crook award)
  16. First novel of an author to win a major science fiction award (eg Connie Willis' first award winning book was Lincoln Dreams but it was the second published.)
  17. First person narrative
  18. Second novel of a writer
Date Posted: 3/16/2012 11:21 AM ET
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Well, I wasn't going to vote, but I got prodded so here's my choices.  Since I don't know how much I'll participate, consider my votes at a half strength.

 1.  First novel of an American writer
 2.  First novel of a British writer

 3.  First novel of a female writer
 4.  First novel of a male writer
5.  A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
6.  A winner or nominee from the first year of an award (eg. The first year of the Nebula Award had 13 nominees)
7.  The first novel of a series
8.  First Contact
9.  First Landing on the Moon or Mars
10. First Artificial Intelligence
 11. Last novel of a writer
 12. Last Human
 13. First novel of an author in a language other than English (in translation or in original language)
14. First SF novel by an author from another genre

15. A winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year (eg. Locus First Novel award , John W Campbell award, Compton Crook award)
16. First novel of an author to win a major science fiction award (eg Connie Willis' first award winning book was Lincoln Dreams but it was the second published.)
17. First person narrative
 18. Second novel of a writer

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Melanti,

I'm like to count your votes as full votes unless you insist; keeps the counting easier that way. Voting is not a commitment to participate. 

Thanks for your input.

-Tom Hl.



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Subject: the winners are...
Date Posted: 3/17/2012 2:29 PM ET
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Thanks all voters!  I have tabulated the results, and will be posting a /TRACK thread and a /DISCUSS thread, as for 1Q.  The results were:

5 Votes

  • A Locus-Recommended First Novel from 2011
  • A winner or nominee from the first year of an award
  • The first novel of a series
  • A winner or nominee of a best first novel/new writer award from any year
  • First novel of an author to win a major SF award

4 Votes

  • First Contact
  • First person narrative

3 Votes

  • First novel of a British writer
  • First novel of a female writer
  • First Artificial Intelligence

And there was no need for me to break any ties.

-Tom Hl.