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Subject: Limit on WL
Date Posted: 1/17/2011 12:53 AM ET
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Can someone tell me what the limit of books is for Wish Lists?  I have 181 books on mine but I keep finding more books to be added.

I thought the limit was 200 but tonight I saw someone's WL with 201 books so I just wondered if our limit has gone up or if it's always been over 200?

Date Posted: 1/17/2011 1:45 AM ET
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The limit is 200.

Sometimes people have more than 200 because if they receive a RWAP book, for example, they get placed back in the WL line when they mark the book RWAP. This happens even if they are already at 200 books again.

Or, if the book goes lost in the mail. Same thing.



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Date Posted: 1/17/2011 1:49 AM ET
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Oh, okay, that makes sense then!  Thank you for clearing that up for me!

Date Posted: 1/17/2011 1:53 AM ET
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Yuppers, what Sara said.  I've seen wishlists as high as 210, but it's temporary b/c of a bad transaction.

Date Posted: 1/17/2011 8:07 AM ET
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Recently for the first time, mine hit 201.  It was very brief though. I had a WL offer, replaced that spot with another book and then the WL offer was cancelled.  Another WL offer came in very quickly though and so I was only at 201 for a couple of hours.

I don't know if they some secret maximum that they let you go over in these cases.  But I imagine that 210 was pretty high and uncommon.  But it can happen with people offering to send multiples to each other. I've had people who've posted 5 or 6 WL books to me at once. (always asking first)

Also when PBS first started, there was an unlimited WL. That was before my time here and I believe everyone was made to trim down. 



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Date Posted: 1/17/2011 10:07 AM ET
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Thanks everyone! I was starting to think that maybe our WL number had gone up!  But it makes sense as to why there is a limit & it also makes sense why someone's list would be above 200 if there is a problem with a transaction. 

Date Posted: 1/17/2011 2:51 PM ET
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I had a recent transaction with someone that has 324 WL books.  I don't understand how but figured he might be testing something or another.  Never did send note to authorities on it but did make me wonder.

Date Posted: 1/17/2011 3:15 PM ET
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There are legit reasons (and system functions) for going over 200 WL, but as Mary notes it's unual to see more than a few here and there.

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 3:55 PM ET
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But WHY is there a 200 limit? I find it very frustrating because I am looking for two types of books. One type is the more generally available sort that will cycle through PBS  fairly regularly and will be available quickly- say within the year. Others I have had on my wish list for four years and some of those I don't expect will ever get into the system but will sit there as long as I am a member!  I've mailed out 240 books and received 189 since I've been a member. Some of the books are just difficult to find quick reads that I will read and swap immediately and some of them are just books I want to add to my collection to either keep rereading or keep consulting. Most of my list at this point is the sort of thing I don't expect to come up any time soon but if I remove them to get easily available quick reads I'll never get them and people won't know I am looking for them.  I like swapping but I also like keeping some kinds of books. I have favorites or useful ones that I keep reading for years.  sigh.

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 4:03 PM ET
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I know it's been discussed before but my biggest complaint is that different editions of the same book take up a lot of my WL.  For instance, there are multiple copies of some books on my WL but one is hardcover, one is paperback, some are older editions of the same book, etc.  When I get a book, I can delete the other editions but until I get them, the extra editions are eating up the space on my list!

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 4:16 PM ET
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But WHY is there a 200 limit? I find it very frustrating because I am looking for two types of books.

There didn't used to be a limit.

There could have been technical reasons. Maybe something to do with the programing. But from the outside looking in, on the forums there were a lot of people with their panties in a twist because a few people had WL in the thousands.

Some people seemed to believe that if you had more items in your WL than they did, you must be an Evil Book Seller, or just plain EVIL and were hurting the site by having so many. Lots of people at the time seemed to take exception to everything from how many credits you were 'hording' and thus keeping books from moving to trying to figure out if you were taking advantage of the site by not having a good 'ratio' of mailed to received books.

Anyway, other's people WL numbers didn't bother me, because if I wanted to I knew I could also get into a lot of lines for books. And since you could only get in line once for each book, and you'd still have to have a credit for each book offered, I didn't see the harm. It's just a number.

But I guess with all the complaints about other people's WL numbers, and what ever benefit they found to it behind the scenes, (maybe to make the WL's look smaller to newbies if some books cut a lot of people out of line, or too many people were'nt keeping track and WL books would sit for too long) TPTB gave notice and cut the number down from unlimited to 200. If you didn't trim it, the system would after a certain time.

Quite a few people had to do some drastic trimming. I'm not sure the real popular book lines got any smaller, and I don't think it stopped people waiting for WL books to be ordered, (even afterwards it seem to run from 1 to 3 people before they were picked up.) But they've never mentioned going back to the unlimited state.



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Date Posted: 1/22/2011 4:42 PM ET
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They have mentioned going back to the unlimited state but with having to rate WL books in the order you want them and no RL.

I like that there's a WL limit although I think 200 is a little low.  But I can an unlimited WL being abused especially now that we have so many members. Because you know a lot of people will get on every WL line they see on the off chance that they might want that book.  I think it would increase the WL offers that sit there for a day or so before finally being declined because the person was mulling it over.  The WL limit forces people to think about what books they want and to save their  WL spots for books they'll actually order when they get the offer.

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 4:45 PM ET
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I've got too many different books that I want to have multiple copies of one book.  I'd love to WL all of the covers and versions and years of one book, but then i'd have to eliminate most of my list.   I'm still new, so I'm learning.  

 

Right now, I am trying the approach of just picking one cover/version of the book and using it as a way to just get the book wished, Period..  Then I'm watching out for the notifications of "Similar to your wish".   I've already been able to get several books much earlier that way than my place in the FIFO line on the WL.   I look at the book that is similar to my wished book, and if I want it, (and I'm fast enough to get to it first, LOL) I just get that book instead of my one on the WL.  

 

There's only a few that I am really picky that I only want THAT one.   I will take MMPB's that are small (and maybe that's just about the only version), but I try to avoid the big, fat MMPB's that are 800 pages and you have to fight with the book to just keep it open.  So if that's my choice, I'll probably wait longer on the WL.

 

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 5:23 PM ET
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I'm like Amber in that I will list all versions of some books because I have never been able to snag the "similar to wished for" book when it was offered me. I do have some books that I just want a particular version (say the most recently revised edition) but usually I am happy to get the book in whatever version it is available. I have never turned down a wish list offer. If I don't want a book, it's not on my list. Unless I want all the variants of a particular book I will remove whatever versions I have wish listed when I get an offer of one of the versions on the wish list. I do have a copy of favorite books that I want in both hardcover and paperback because I don't like to haul hardcovers around but paperbacks will fall apart after a bit thus having my back up hardcover  is important. (This would be Sarah Monette's series, for example but I purchased all of it brand new and despite lots of people wanting those books they are not going to be sold or swapped because I pick them up and read them regularly.)

  I'm not sure why people are upset about long lists. Everyone should be able to want to read whatever books they want and as long as they keep swapping and  putting books back into the system, what's the difference? The fact that I'd happily read 200 mysteries or sci-fi as well as wait for all my equine non-ficiton doesn't affect their wanting to get popular books or mysteries or whatever. If I didn't want to wait, I'd buy them. I tend to use Paperbackswap for books I can't find in my library so I don't mind waiting even if I am 200th in line! The popular stuff gets turned over, it's the less common things that will sit on my llist for four years waiting for a new member to join or someone to decided they no longer need a book in their collection.

  As far as book dealers, one can always go to Amazon and check what a used book costs.  If a swapper thinks it makes more sense to put one of their books up for sale they can just do that instead of worrying about a dealer swooping in and making money instead. I swapped a mystery that was being listed for $30. I HOPE it went to a normal reader instead of someone interested in reselling, but if it had bothered me that much I would have put it up for sale myself! ;)  Nearly all the books on my list are very expensive on the second hand market. I can't afford to buy them all at high prices and fortunately I have managed to get quite a few  essentially for the cost of another book to someone else. It's terrific- which is why I also don't mind throwing in the valuable mystery once in  a while. I want to read the first story of a series too and if it's out of print I will probably suffer rather than spend the money on a one time read I may or may not.  I don't get the impatience of long lines. If you want something right away, buy it second hand. I'm on wait lists at the library too. If I need to read it yesterday, I bite the bullet and buy the book new or used.  I just ordered three because I have no room on my wish list and I don't want to give up the possibility of  a paperback swap wish coming through. shrug.

It makes no sense to me.  The fact that I wish list 1,000 books  doesn't affect your ability to list 1,000 books. The fact that a book gets out of the system and doesn't reenter is no more likely to happen because they want a lot of books than if they actually want 200 books which they never intend to swap and want to keep. I have both kinds and buy books I see wish listed so I can enter them into the system as well. Frustrating. :)

 

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 5:31 PM ET
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I remember when they had the ranking list too.  That also didn't make much sense to me because my situation isn't helped by either situation. I've been wish listed for four years on a book that has just two or three wishers. If I made that my number one priority, I would have missed four years worth of missed opportunities to get more popular  books I also want to read. In the same space I could read dozens of books and swap them back in while my number one book sits unposted- probably forever.  I cycle through lots of fiction but the non-fiction or specific titles usually don't even get into the system in the first place- and if they do it will be a long time before they get to me, even at place one or two.  I don't think any of what I would consider my top rated books have shifted at the rate of more than once a year since I became a member. On the more popular titles I tend to get the book "quickly" because more people  will dump a bestseller into the system. There may be 3,000 people wanting a book but if there are a 100 copies of that book, most of them will probably see it "soon" as opposed to me, with my not popular book and the only request hoping that even though four years have passed SOMEONE will clean their library out and throw it into the mix. :)

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 5:40 PM ET
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As the membership grows, the large wish lists could be a deterent to getting new members. If every member was allowed to have 1000 books on their Wish List, that's at lot of spots taken and new members may just look at the long lines and take the books they were going to offer and leave. Cutting the taken spots down 500%  keeps the Wish lists shorter and makes the club more enticing to new members.

I suspect the site had a lot of reasons to cutting it down. 50,000 members with unlimited Wish Lists was probably much easier for the system to handle than 300,000+ members limited to 200. Maybe they were seeing new members discouraged. I'd be discouraged if I came and offered a bunch of Wish Listed books, but people wisher for 1000s of books were in front of me on all the books I wanted while getting the books I was offering too. I don't subscribe to the idea that new members should just be happy looking at the available books nor the idea that first come first served should apply to every book possible. if we want people to post what we are wishing for, we need a good supply of members.

I think 200 books is a very generous number. I don't think anyone can read more than that in even 2 months. Unless someone is wishing for only rarel posted books, a Wish List of 200 should produce a steady stream of reading material.

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 5:59 PM ET
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 My point again is that with a wish list of more than 200 I am not going to  be receiving  3 books a month.  Of the 189 books I've received, the majority of them were selected from POSTED books or as add ons from a wish list offer.   I know  that of my current list  I can reasonably expect to see a dozen of them this year which are actually in the system and circulating. If I were reading strictly best sellers that would be greater. I can understand people seeing a long list and thinking they will never see a book but in general the popular books I've wanted I hardly need to wait for even I start out at number 300. My horse books I'll be lucky to see ever. :)  I have been lucky to see some of them though so I hate to take them off the list in favor of more reading material I know will get to me in a few months like the coffee shop mysteries.  So yes, it does make a great deal of difference as to what type of books one is looking for. I could easily have a list of my 200 unexpected but wanted books and a list of 50 want to read them as soon as I can books and probably get through the entire list of fifty in a year or two before  I see more than one of the unexpected books. I was lucky this year and actually received six books due to a new horse lover entering the fold. The rest of my reading has had to be from the library. I have on the other hand been looking for vampire and weird fantasy books to get cheap and enter into the system and nearly everything I've picked up to add has found a home in a week. :) I much prefer your odds of getting a year's worth of reading to mine based on our bookshelves!  In fact, I will probably start seeing a lot of what you want hitting the library sales in a few months so I'll keep my eyes open. ;)

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 6:12 PM ET
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Agreed Melanie,

I think 200 is appropriate for me.  Having been here and at swapadvd I have to say I think the limit is necessary (on one of the movies I'm currently wishing for at SAD, there is a member who has it at around 8,000 ranking - tell me that person is actually spending a low estimate of 16,000 hours of watching time on movies I DON'T THINK SO).  I also have to say that if PBS changed to that same sort of ratio then I would probably quit once my bookshelf was empty.  I can manipulate the swapadvd system (and enjoy doing so to a certain extent it is kind of a game to me), but in general I find it to be worthless and probably resistent to membership.

It wouldn't bother me if the number changed (personally I think that if anything lower would be better), but there needs to be a number.  I do see the conflict with multiple entries for the same book as well, but given their current system I don't see how to fix this (they already have enough problems keeping the WL expander and everything working properly, so it's probably better to K.I.S.S.).

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 6:21 PM ET
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Well, I imagine if they rank it at 8,000 they are hoping to get some other things to watch in the interim! ;)  Kind of like my wishlist. There are things I want to read but because I know I'm unlikely to see them any time soon (four years and counting) I still want to keep them on the list but actually read other readily available titles  in the mean time.   Currently my library is fulfilling that purpose due to place saving by other titles. Oh well. I guess I'll continue to just see if anything posted interests me.

Date Posted: 1/22/2011 10:56 PM ET
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There are already new members posting on a regular basis about how they came on, sent out all these WL books and every single book they look up has a long WL line.  Then they're worried that they'll never spend their credits and just wasted all that money on postage. 

I usually only WL the stuff that I know will probably stay WL forever or for a long time. I rarely WL the best sellers that I know will go from WL to heavily posted within a few months.  Those also tend to be the books that are issued in several different editions.  Most of what I WL is only in 1 or 2 formats.  Most of what I WL is also almost always WL and not likely to have more than 1 or 2 copies posted a month.  But I still get 5-10 WL offers a month. I'd get more but I have a huge chunk of my WL on hold because it's later in a series books that I'm not ready for yet.   I'd rather see someone else get it then add it to my huge TBR until I'm ready.