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Subject: Does this look like a RWAP to you?
Date Posted: 4/9/2010 6:52 PM ET
Member Since: 3/27/2010
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Sorry, I'm fairly new here and this is the first book I've received that I'm not sure whether or not can be posted after I'm done with it. I feel really guilty about being so "picky" because personally, I don't have an issue with the condition...but, I'm afraid I won't be able to post it when I'm done with it...so I guess I need to know whether or not this should be considered an unpostable (and mark is as a RWAP) or if this is still ok by PBS guidelines. Thanks so much!

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/Rainfall_photos/100_3623.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/Rainfall_photos/100_3624.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/Rainfall_photos/100_3625.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/Rainfall_photos/100_3626.jpg

 

eta: sorry, I'll try to make those links or pics...



Last Edited on: 4/9/10 6:56 PM ET - Total times edited: 3
Date Posted: 4/9/2010 7:28 PM ET
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That's a tough one.  The Help Center information that would apply says:

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

In the first three pictures, it appears to me as if the book should be considered "OKAY", since it just looks like the book opens to that particular page.  But that last picture definitely shows binding glue between two separate stacks of pages.  Since the guidelines simply say "no separation" (which I read to mean none whatsoever) I'd have to say the book qualifies for an RWAP.

eta: well handled, btw.  Welcome to the Swap!



Last Edited on: 4/9/10 7:28 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/9/2010 7:28 PM ET
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I only looked at the 1st 2 pictures but it looks unpostable to me-like the pages are about to come loose. Snaps in a spine are ok as long as it's not completely seperated like that.

Date Posted: 4/9/2010 7:28 PM ET
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I'd consider that a separation between the pages and not postable.  PBS has clarified than small pinhole sized separations are allowable but that looks like a spine crack or break (some would call it a cleaved spine).

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
Date Posted: 4/9/2010 7:34 PM ET
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Ok, darn. I was afraid of that. If I knew I would be keeping the book, I wouldn't care...but since I won't be able to post it again, I guess I have to bring it up to the sender. (Should I PM the sender first?) Will s/he lose out on a credit for this? Gah, I hate being the bad guy. :(


Kelly

Date Posted: 4/9/2010 7:38 PM ET
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You can mark it rwap & PM them and ask for the credit back if you wish. Its up to them whether they will refund your credit.

Date Posted: 4/9/2010 7:42 PM ET
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The sender will only lose out on the credit if you ask for it back. There is only one credit involved in the transaction and only one of you can have it. The sender gets it when you mark it received (regardless of RWAP or not) and you need to ask for it back if you want it.  Since you can't swap it to recoup the credit, I would assume that you would ask for the credit back, but some people don't, its totally up to the receiver. eta (of course the sender has the final say since they have and and can refuse to return it).

That book is sadly what happens when the site does not give us better guidelines on separation and their own clarification says that it doesn't mean all separations, but those that look like the pages are coming loose. Some people will look at that book and determine the pages aren't coming loose and send it. Others will look at it and say snapped spine, not postable.



Last Edited on: 4/9/10 7:43 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/9/2010 7:47 PM ET
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I would not have sent it and if I had received it I would have marked it RWAP and asked for my credit back.  Pat

Date Posted: 4/9/2010 7:48 PM ET
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Ok, thank you for all of the opinions and help everyone!

I'll PM the sender and let him/her know the issue with the spine. I'm torn on whether I'll ask them for a refund though, as it's fine by MY standards (the pages on either side of the break are still glued in place, so I'm hoping they won't start falling out). I do want them to know about the issue though so that they aren't faced with problems sending unpostables in the future. I guess I'll either gift it or keep it - it better be a good book! :)

Kelly



Last Edited on: 4/9/10 7:49 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/9/2010 8:42 PM ET
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Agreeing with James.  The first couple pics could be postable, but #4 appears to be seperated/cleaved and therefore unpostable.

Date Posted: 4/9/2010 9:25 PM ET
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Well, there is also some water damage to the dust cover and outside corner of the book (outside only though). I've PM'd the sender about both issues and offered a few fair (IMO) options. Thanks so much for the help everyone! :)

Date Posted: 4/10/2010 12:30 AM ET
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You could list it in several places as a freebie with an order for credit from your bookshelf.  If it is a wL book, you could post it in some places (Book Bazaar, your posts' signature line, etc, listing the problems and ask for a credit.  You cannot post it into the FIFO system.

I do think you should ask for your credit back to impress upon the sender that sending unpostables has consequences.  It's our right to expect to receive books we order from the FIFO system to be postable.  And we don't want to shrug it off so that these senders think because they weren't asked for the credit to be returned that there is no reason not to continue doing so.  We are the quality control for PBS, and it will only have as high a standard of high quality that we allow to be sent and received.  I know I want to get the highest possible qulity used books that I can.  That doesn't mean "like new" condition - just meeting the PBS standard is fine with me.

Ruth

 

Date Posted: 4/11/2010 1:01 AM ET
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Unless you have an RC regarding Dust Jackets Kelly, that is a mute point as they are not required for a book to be postable.  Liquid damage to the book itself is an unpostable situation.