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Subject: Loose covers
Date Posted: 7/3/2008 6:36 PM ET
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I have recently come across a box of books that had several book with loose covers.  The books were relatively new and the binding was tight.  Is there a way to secure the cover neatly?  And if so, is it postable? Thanks.

Date Posted: 7/3/2008 6:45 PM ET
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Just post them anyway. People freak out because theres like one little mistake with a book. Like I met someone who was trying to pass off a perfectly good book as an "unpostable" because it had a tear drop on like one page. I get books all the friggin time in the mail that look like theve been through more hell than I can imagine, but I love them all the same and dont complain.  As long as I can read it im perfectly happy. Like sometimes When Im really into a book, ill take a shower with it. I dont mind water damage, BECAUSE IT DRYS! And it will always still be readable after a few minutes under a hair dryer. Some people are just really uptight with thier books. This is a USED book site. People want brand new books, they can go overpay at barnes and noble. this is a free service, dont complain.

Date Posted: 7/3/2008 6:54 PM ET
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Date Posted: 7/3/2008 6:55 PM ET
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I've fixed a few by regluing the cover to the spine. The glue used for mass market paperbacks especially is a joke. I worked in a bookstore for a few years and we'd get brand new just issued books straight from the publishing wharehouse and the covers would be loose.

Date Posted: 7/3/2008 7:00 PM ET
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Sabrina, while we welcome your opinions here in the Forums, the one thing that is not open to opinions are the guidelines that are set for what is and what isnt postable on PBS. the Help Center is very clear as to what is acceptable to post for credit trades and what is not.

Yes, some people are very particular about the books they receive. I, like you, have much looser standards for the books I read. But I do not post books that do not meet the guidelines here. The guidelines are there to set the standard. Without them I am sure PBS would not have become the site that it is. And I appreciate your tongue in cheek warning (at least that is my take on it) signature.

That being said, Dana, if the binding can be seen through the book, inside the covers or inside the pages, it is not postable. Sometimes the glue is affected by heat and cold and that may be the case here.

And of course I am copying and pasting the portion of the Help Doc I think will probably apply to your books.

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

Happy Holiday

Date Posted: 7/3/2008 7:13 PM ET
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I've fixed a few by regluing the cover to the spine. The glue used for mass market paperbacks especially is a joke.

Thanks Rena.  I am looking for suggestions.  What type of glue did you use?  I have seen some books that were glued and looked awful.  This book looks to be in very good condition and the manufacturing glue non existent.  So just wandering if I can save this book. 

Thanks Cheryl for posting the guidelines but I just read those too.  The book's binding is tight and intact and looks sealed-like ( I don't think that is a word) so if the cover was re-attachable, it would be a great book.  I remember someone in the past putting in book repair tips and thought others might have some suggestions. 

Thanks Sabrina for your commentary.  It made LOL, esp your sig.  I however am picky about my books and so far have put quite a few in my profile to offer as unpostable.  I would not want to get this book "as is" and will most likely list as an unpostable.  I appreciate your sarcasm however.   

Date Posted: 7/3/2008 7:25 PM ET
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I kind of assumed you were not talking about the glue that keeps the pages together and consitutes the spine on a MMP. Generally there's a thin squiggle of glue applied to the spine which the cover is then pressed/attached to and this glue fails fairly often.

I've found that a good craft glue works well, the key is not to over-apply and to remove any excess that squeezes out quickly (with your finger) so that the pages are not stained or accidently glued to the cover. Leave the cover(s) open while you're doing this, and once you're sure no glue will squeeze out close the book and press a weight against the spine and set it in a dry place until the glue sets. I'll generally push the spine against the wall (it's setting on my desktop) and place a heavy book on top of it. It's important to make sure you get the greatest amount of contact along the spine you can while it dries, or it will separate again. Good luck!



Last Edited on: 7/3/08 11:10 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 7/3/2008 7:30 PM ET
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Thanks Rena.  I'll give it a try.

Date Posted: 7/3/2008 10:27 PM ET
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The books from PBS aren't "Free". It's free to sign up to use PBS. But it costs money to mail out the books and earn those credits.  Plus whatever you spent to acquire the book in the first place.  I'm not overly picky about my books either. But if I order a book from here I want it to meet PBS guidelines so I can repost the book w/o getting a complaint against me.

The problem with books that have gotten wet is that they can turn moldy. 

I joined another book site that allows you to post the book's condition.  I post my good books here and my questionable books there. 

Date Posted: 7/4/2008 1:26 PM ET
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Several people have posted about the "warm iron" technique - it heats the glue so that it will reattach to the cover.  I had a paperback that was just as you describe - the pages were perfect - binding was nice and tight, but the cover on the spine had competely come unattached from the glue.  I used a warm iron on it, and it looked as good as new.  Probably better than it was to begin with.  This will also help books that aren't "cleaved", but are starting to separate.  What do you have to lose?  :)

Date Posted: 7/4/2008 4:40 PM ET
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I haven't had any detached covers since I first read about the warm iron technique, but will certainly try it when I do.  I've glued covers back on before and can tell you that Elmer's glue won't cut the mustard, but Liquitex Acrylic Gel Medium works very well.  If anyone in your household paints with acrylics (or is a former art student) you may have a tube around.  You just have to be careful not to use too much, as was mentioned above.

Date Posted: 7/4/2008 4:49 PM ET
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I just buy my glue from Demco, since it is made for books and repairs. You can get small tubes of it and its not that expensive since you do not use alot of it.  OH and when they say it dries fast please believe it, its no fun having your finger glued to a book and having to remove finger and cover without damaging either of them..LOL

I mend books all the time for work, the hot iron can work but is easy to over do it so I prefer to just glue the cover back on.  Plus if the glue was already bad OR there was not alot of glue to being with the hot iron technique  will only be a very short fix for the book.

Date Posted: 7/4/2008 4:56 PM ET
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Incidentally, I don't know if Sabrina's post above was sarcasm as that has been her general attitude across the board.  I would think it would even be deleted from here so that newer members aren't influenced in any way by it.  Sabrina is no longer a member so hopefully we won't have to worry about similar posts happening again.

Date Posted: 7/4/2008 5:10 PM ET
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I think the op would have to request that TPTB remove the post, Dayna.  I agree with you, though, it's definitely not what newbies need to read in the least.  Note that it was basically a newbie that posted it, which kind of surprised me. 

For what it's worth (2 cents), my local UBS has told me that all one needs to reattach a cover is some Elmer's glue, aluminum foil, and rubber bands.  Put a small ammount of glue down the middle (careful that it doesn't ooze out  around the corner to the end pages), apply the cover, wrap the book completely and snuggly in the foil, and then encase the book in rubber bands.  I can't imagine it would take more than a couple days to make sure the glue had dried completely.  I haven't tried it yet so I can't exactly report on how well this works, but I plan on it once I get the nerve.  The UBS isn't just a place that sells non-new books, he's got books hundreds of years old and worth hundreds of dollars.  The man lives for books, so I doubt he'd give me bad advice on caring for them. 

Date Posted: 7/4/2008 5:31 PM ET
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I find a little Elmer's glue will work just fine.  To avoid getting too much of it on the book, I use a small paint brush with very firm bristles and just a touch.  I can always go back and apply a little more glue if I need too, it's hard to take away too much glue once it's dried though.

Date Posted: 7/4/2008 8:37 PM ET
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I tried the iron trick on a couple books and it didn't work. I ended up ruining the spine of one.  That glue just would not melt.  I joined that other site because of the high number or cracked/cleaved spined books I had.  I'm gentle with my books too but it just seems like they snap so easily. So the book is perfect in every way, no loose pages, the cover is in excellent shape, no stains or excessive wear but that cracked spine makes it unpostable.  I have so many like this, I'm almost afraid to open a book for fear of snapping the spine. 

Date Posted: 7/4/2008 11:48 PM ET
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Thanks for everyone's input.  I am going to try a combo of the tips provided.  I have listed the books as an unpostable as I fear my repair job might come apart after the post office uses it as a football.

Happy Fourth!  Dana