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Subject: Is it me or does Lora Leigh need some editing?
Date Posted: 11/14/2008 12:28 PM ET
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So I was reading this book by Lora Leigh (which shall remain nameless because I'll use it for a swap) and it seemed to me that it needed a LOT of editing. She tends to repeat herself and say the same pieces of dialogue over, and over. How many times do I need to read that 'If that man gets close to my woman, I'll kill him! OR (what seems to be her favorite) I came back to claim her! (I've read that phrase repeated ad nauseaum in two of her books.)

Also (and this bugs me tremendously)...couples don't use protection and never even think about it (at least in the two contemporaries I've read.) I'm new to erotica so I don't know if this is a Lora Leigh thing or if it's common in the genre. Usually when couples have sex without protection it doesn't bother me because most writers at least acknoledge it, even when it's ludicrous - like the case of the man/woman who always has protected sex but forgets it when s/he's in sight of the heroine/hero. In Lora Leigh's books however, they act as if there's nothing to worry about  - let's not even go into STDs, they don't even think about pregnancies!

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 12:53 PM ET
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She's one of the spicier authors that really didn't work for me and made me lean toward thinking that the more heavily erotica oriented stuff just doesn't work for me in general - although Robin Schone, Sylvia Day, and Lisa Valdez certainly deserve an honorable mention in there:P  I don't think she's exceptionally talented as a writer, not to put too fine a point on it.  I think that once you set aside the relative novelty of more sexually graphic content, she really doesn't have anything to set her apart as a really good writer.  And I agree, I find her a tad repetitious myself.  But that's just MHO.  Some of the ladies probably think she's the bee's knees and that I'm crazy for not liking her:P  She was well represented on my WL at one time, but I deleted pretty much everything and offered the titles I already had on the WL thread.  Sylvia Day, I'm still holding out some hope for:P  To be 100% fair, my favorite author - Marsha Canham - has repeated a few lines across a couple of different and unrelated books.  The difference being that everything else there was working so well for me, I didn't much care:P



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Date Posted: 11/14/2008 12:55 PM ET
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Does Lora Leigh need some editing?

NO. I love her alphas, both male and female. The men may be over-the-top macho and arrogant, but nobody does stronger women. It takes an even stronger male character to prevent him becoming a doormat.

 

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 1:20 PM ET
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I have to agree with you D.G., I think she does repeat herself in a lot of her books.  Its one of the reasons I grew bored with the Breed Series and moved on.  I got to the point that I didn't care if I got them read before I swapped them.  In her breed books they all have a mating frenzy like rabbits until they get pregnant.  I liked it the for the 1st four books in the Breed series then I thought "ok, been there done that".  At least she helped find find a new genre I didn't think I would ever get into.  I do, however, like some of her other series.

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 1:36 PM ET
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Maybe she and DIana Palmer should get together and swap phrases. :-\

SoBe -
Date Posted: 11/14/2008 1:52 PM ET
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I think most fans will tell you to read her books non-consecutively.... that way all those obvious issues won't seem so obvious...


Though not having actaully finished any of her books, I can't tell you if that method works or not. :-D



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Date Posted: 11/14/2008 1:56 PM ET
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lol I was just thinking about saying how I cannot read her books back to back, but they work for me if I space them out. Some times she really annoys me with her men. I love a good alpha (ie anne stuarts) but lora leighs men make me want to knee them. Even the women too, they give in way too easily to the men....but reading them far apart isn't too bad. I can ignore some of the annoying things if I put my mind to it lol

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 2:13 PM ET
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I don't think she's exceptionally talented as a writer, not to put too fine a point on it.  I think that once you set aside the relative novelty of more sexually graphic content, she really doesn't have anything to set her apart as a really good writer. 

That's the issue I'm having with her. Besides the hot sex, the stories are not that good. The characters are two-dimensional and there's nothing memorable that sets one hero or heroine apart from the next. The suspense elements seem to be there just to justify the SEAL background of the heroes - which are always described as being amazing killing machines, the best of the crop, bla, bla, bla but who are always being caught unawares by the eevil villains.

BTW...I also hate this penchant she has for the 'tea cup' - this is what DH calls those plots when the eevil villain has the hero in his clutches but decides to kill him in a slow, convoluted way that gives the hero time to escape (ex. using the hero as a tea bag to boil him in hot water...hence the 'tea cup.') But she's not the only one that does that...lots of writers do it too.



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Date Posted: 11/14/2008 2:21 PM ET
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I will admit that some of Lora's series are fluffy romps (Nauti series); some have fairly incredulous plots (Men of August); and almost all contain more sex than some readers expect to find in anything but a pure erotica title.

And the Breeds series... if you recall, one of the key factors of these stories is that finding a life mate causes the paranormal 'Breed' hero/heroine to produce a hormone that brings on the 'Heat.' Animals in heat do go through mating frenzies.

BUT...

Her Tempting SEALs series is more serious, less repetitive, and similar to Cherry Adair's T-FLAC series, with a little extra sex a la Lora thrown in. And the Bound Hearts series, which started off as fluffy romps, has raised the bar for drama and realistic characters in menage stories.

Much like Shelley Bradley/Shayla Black, Leigh has different writing styles for the different types of books she does. IMNSHO, I think Leigh brings more depth in plot and character development to her stories than most other authors in the Erotic Romance sub-genre. Maybe it's just because I've known real men who are possessive / obsessive / arrogant / dominant neanderthals. Of course, in real life they don't like strong women. ;-)

Colleen

 

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 2:31 PM ET
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I dunno, I can think of plenty erotica authors who are (imo) much better then her.  Her characters are very one dimensional for me. In fact, now that I think about it, I read her when I want something with lots of sex, not for plot. Her heroes are all also very alike.

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 2:34 PM ET
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Maybe I should try some of the other series you were mentioning, Colleen because all of my experience comes from the Nauti series, a few anthologies and the nameless book. I haven't read the Breed series but the idea sounds interesting.

I read 'Wicked Ties' by Shayla Black and although the whole D/s didn't appeal to me much, I have to say the plot was well thought out and the characters made sense to me. I have Decadent in my TBR pile and I'm looking forward to it. :)

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 3:36 PM ET
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I haven't read all the posts but as some have said I was also thinking I enjoy some of her stuff but can't read them back to back. And I know to expect certain things happeing in her books and sometimes I'm really not in the mood for that so I pick up something else instead.

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 3:42 PM ET
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I don't know why I can't seem to get into paranormals, but I want real world  places and events to ground me in a story, and even authors who excel at world building just aren't grabbing me.  I was really into fantasy fiction not very long ago at all - as recently as 2000-2001.  Tolkien & D&D fantasy writers like Terry Brooks and David & Lee Eddings.  The most recent things other than romance were all of Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles, and anyone who's read all of those can attest that you start to get burned out on the subject matter after a while.  I guess that probably has as much to do with it as anything.  I like historicals best now, but I always did when it comes to romance.  As for the spicier stuff, I prefer romantica - erotic romance - over pure erotica, because there has to be a one on one love story in there for me to really enjoy it.  I'm not having the best of luck with it though.  I used to think that Emma Holly, Susan Johnson, and Robin Schone were as hot as it gets in historical themes, but Sylvia Day and Lisa Valdez blew all of that out of the water for me recently:P  And I could have handled them very well had it not been for the overabundance of the ick factor with so many of the sex terms & situations.  Lisa Valdez had an interesting little sex fantasy romp thing going there with Passion, but she just grossed me out with too many eww terms & phrases, and after a while the sex got a little repetitious.  The story got kinda lame in the 2nd half too, and overall I find her writing to be somewhat lacking in polish & finesse.  Syliva Day isn't a bad writer at all, but A Passion for Him and A Passion for the Game didn't do a lot for me, and I couldn't exactly say why not at this point.  They were simply not memorable, because I couldn't tell you what the heck they were about without skimming back over the synopsis on both of them:P  I'm hoping that I have better luck with the two Day books remaining on my WL.  Robin Schone has a pretty fair talent with words & plotting, but there's too much talking about sex going on there:P  I 'd prefer she skip all the blabbering and let the H&H just do it, since her sex scenes are fairly well written, I just think she needs to unglue herself from the notion that her characters jabbering about what they're going to do to each other isn't really the most effective foreplay - especially if it goes on for more than a paragraph and ends up accounting for nearly half of the dialogue between the H&H.  Add to that that her conflicts are good, but she needs to put some more dimension into her antagonists.  They aren't window dressing.  They have impact on the story and they need to be a little more real.

Let me see... what else can I quibble about?  I think I'm just lamenting the fact that I always seem to have to sacrifice on something and can't seem to get enough authors who are firing on all cylinders.  More sex - more explicit sex rather - doesn't necessarily make a book any better.   I've been reading Renee Bernard lately, and while I didn't think A Lady's Pleasure was perfect, it was a little more fleshed out in terms of explicit content, romance & story.  The second one in that series however, fell totally flat and was boring & repetitious.  I got bored with the sex after a while.  And it wasn't even as spicy as book one.  Just way more tedious:P



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Date Posted: 11/14/2008 4:19 PM ET
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RIAHEKANS:

If you find you don't like Decadent, read it again. I didn't much care for it the first time through, but so many reading buddies loved it that I thought I'd missed something. The second time around, I wasn't so distracted by Black's frequent hints about the psychological/emotional reasons for Deke's behavior.

For those of you who enjoyed Wicked Ties and Decadent, it looks like we have to wait until Spring 2010 for Luc's story. <sigh>

 

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 5:07 PM ET
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I'm more into historicals also but lately I've been trying other genres (erotica and paranormal) and although I haven't found a really great author yet, I'm open to checking out more. There seems to be a lot of sci fi erotica around so I have a few of those in my WL...let's see what I think about those, once I read them, LOL!

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 9:52 PM ET
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I don't know about the editing part of LL's books because I haven't read any of them. I did start one of her Tempting SEALs books and after about 30 pages felt myself turning prudish because I was completely shocked with the graphic sexual descriptions. Aparently I am not an Erotica lover. I would rather read a couple hot love scenes in a well constructed romance then one scene after another of blazing sexual acts that start looking a little gratuitous and don't contribute to the story at all.

I have read Erotica (mostly EC books) and I like them for what they are. Porn on Page. I find nothing wrong with it by the way. I just have to be in the mood for it. I would rather not pick up a book at work and find on page 5 a sex scene that makes me blush burgandy and have people ask me what I am reading.

Date Posted: 11/14/2008 10:19 PM ET
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I found with Lora Leigh's books............she has the same phrases in all her books......but different settings. She needs to come up with new phrases!  You see this especially when they go to have sex....whe she is going down on him....or what he says to her when he is whistling thru the wheat field....or when they are doing the actul deed....the men say the same things, but different characters, different scenery.....you get my drift.

I do enjoy Lora's books tho. And even tho she repeats herself...I repeat myself too...by reading some of the books over again......some of those scenes are HOT!

Date Posted: 11/15/2008 11:51 AM ET
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LL's heros use the word destroy a lot to describe the heroine

"She destroys me " - hero

"She destroys us all" - hero's brother/navy seal/fellow breed/sex partner

I don't think she's a good writer.  Her character's are one dimensional and she recycles plot lines.  The only thing seperating Nauti Boys and the August trilogy is the August boys follow through with the group sex.

I also find it troubling that her heroines'  judgement/wants/ needs take a back seat to the hero's.  Her heroines have no autonomy.  Whatever the hero thinks is best IS best in LL's world.  I like alpha heros but I find LL's hero's to be selfishly concerned with their own wants and needs.  Loving Lies was one of the worst books I have ever read.  Offensively so.  I stopped buying her after that.    

I don't mind dominant heros or submisive heroines.  But I want my heroines to choose to be submissive - not be browbeat into it because it is the "natural" order of things. 

IMO. she is not a good writer BUT she is not a bad storyteller, despite the sameness of her plots. 

Her books are emotionally engaging.

And the sex is pretty hot.

Date Posted: 11/15/2008 1:05 PM ET
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I think a lot of prolific writers need to come up with some new phrasing, termanology, plots etc...,  The find a formula that's successful a couple times and then just beat it to death.  

Christine Feehan is another.  She constantly uses the word molten: her molten core, his molten eyes, she burned like molten lava, he felt like molten fire. Gack-open a dictionary.  There are other phrases she uses repeatedly in every book. 

 

Date Posted: 11/15/2008 1:20 PM ET
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KAREN wrote: "I also find it troubling that her heroines'  judgement/wants/ needs take a back seat to the hero's.  Her heroines have no autonomy.  Whatever the hero thinks is best IS best in LL's world.  I like alpha heros but I find LL's hero's to be selfishly concerned with their own wants and needs."

I would agree that the Nauti Boys and the Men of August are both series that are best described as ROMPS. That's my term for a story that is plot-lite and an extra helping of gratuitous sex.

But Leigh actually writes two very different types of stories. The Breeds and the Tempting SEALS / Elite Ops series are full of alpha females and better dialog. It takes an extra heapin' helpin' of testosterone to impress these ladies! Kira (Killer Secrets), Dawn (Dawn's Awakening), Megan (Megan's Mark), and Morgana (Dangerous Games) are just as likely to dismember a man as look twice at him.

The Bound Hearts series started as romps, but beginning with Forbidden Pleasure (Book 8), the stories are longer and better developed.

One BIG limitation I've found... I won't ever again spend money for an anthology containing one of Leigh's stories. She is not a writer who does well with a shorter story format. Some writers (Alison Kent is among my faves in this category) can pull it off; some can't. Like Shelley Bradley/Shayla Black, Leigh can tell a good story, but she doesn't write tight. In contrast, Lisa Kleypas comes to mind. She could have omitted the first 1/3 of 'Sugar Daddy' and would have had a better story.

Lora Leigh? She's not for everybody. But then, that's why we have soooooo many authors to choose from, eh?

Colleen

 

Date Posted: 11/15/2008 1:36 PM ET
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Colleen wrote  But Leigh actually writes two very different types of stories. The Breeds and the Tempting SEALS / Elite Ops series are full of alpha females and better dialog. It takes an extra heapin' helpin' of testosterone to impress these ladies! Kira (Killer Secrets), Dawn (Dawn's Awakening), Megan (Megan's Mark), and Morgana (Dangerous Games) are just as likely to dismember a man as look twice at him.

I actually had a problen with Dawn's Awakening ultimately.  (I read it awhile ago so my memory may be a bit off on this.)  Yes, Dawn was a strong character with a lot of issues that were completely understandable, IMO. 

But her big realization at the end of the book was that Calllan and Seth(?) acted the way they did because they were trying to do what is best for her.  And she was wrong for not accepting that.  Well, why did they not understand that the person who might know what is best for Dawn is Dawn?  Her judgement was superceded by theirs.  Basically they were saying - WE know what is best for you better than you do.  That's a horrible thing to do to a rape victim.

I really feel that in LL's book the women are supposed to understand the men's point of view without the men understanding the women's point of view. 

And that left a bad taste in my mouth.

Date Posted: 11/15/2008 5:28 PM ET
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I started in the middle of the series and have since picked up a few of the earlier ones and have read some of the Naughty books and yes, LL does favor certain phrases or descriptive words which if you've read her work (and not even back to back) they do jump out at you.  Certainly because they are used repetatively throughout the book and even more so because they are in all the books.   I'm beginning to wonder if her heroines should file ownership papers on their vajayjays since "mine" or "my_____" seems to be brought up a lot and if her heroines have a FDA license to operate that dairy in their pants since the word "cream" tends to be in every scene and book:LOL:   If you just want books where all the thinking is done from the "south" then these might be for you:) 

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Okay, I just totally snarfed Starbucks coffee thru my nose at the "dairy in her pants" comment:P

Date Posted: 11/15/2008 7:16 PM ET
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I have read alot of Lora Leigh and have to agree with you ladies on this, about her always repeating the same phrases over and over again.  Especially like someone said " destroy me" .   That drives me crazy and I cant read her back to back. Shes the first erotica author that I read and after reading other authors in that genre, I relized how repeditive she is but for some reason I cant stop reading her .lol

Date Posted: 11/15/2008 8:28 PM ET
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 Morgana (Dangerous Games) are just as likely to dismember a man as look twice at him.

I dunno, she annoyed the hell out of me. She seemed strong, except when she was around the hero. She was always giving in to him, and she could never help herself. It was ridiculous. That book in particular annoyed me. I could not stand the hero. He needed to be bitcfh slapped in the balls a few times.

 

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