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Subject: Would you mark this RWAP?
Date Posted: 7/28/2008 1:12 PM ET
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I received a book where when you open the book to the middle it lies flat and is coming apart.  I am not sure of the correct terminology.  But would you mark this book as RWAP?  This is the 2nd time I have requested this same book with problems (it is only a 2006 book).  Or would you mark ok but this would be the last hurrah for the book?  

Thanks!
Patti

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 1:15 PM ET
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Hi Patti........

As for me if the book was coming apart I would for sure mark as RWAP. I received an ex library book once that had pages just falling out. This is not acceptable under PBS guidelines. I am thinking you would not be able to repost this yourself, so I myself would want a credit back.

 

Jenn

 

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 1:18 PM ET
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This is what this is - an ex-library copy.  The first copy I requested was way worse than this one and the gal told me I shouldn't expect perfect books.  I told her I don't, but I expect books that meet PBS guidelines. So I was afraid to do this again for fear of the 'wrath' again with the 2nd one I requested.

Thanks!

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 1:28 PM ET
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You should type "book condition guidelines" into the help center and read the section on binding to decide.  I tried to copy and paste it here but am having trouble.  The section indicates that if the book tends to open to a particular page, due to the binding, that is okay.  But if pages are loose or missing, that is not.  Read that section for more info.

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 2:24 PM ET
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Here's the guidelines: http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/search.php?terms=guidelines

The bit that applies to this situation:

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

If the left and right pages touch when the book opens to that particular spot then it's alright.  However, if the glue or spine shows as the left and right portions of the book separate from each other, then it's not, and should be marked Received With a Problem.  As far as the Sender who said you shouldn't expect perfect books, you're absolutely right in your response.  Along with the "It is a used book site" argument and the "Hey, it's a free book" excuse, there is no excuse for sending books that violate the rules for posting.  These books aren't free, and while it's true they are used and don't have to be perfect, the rules are the rules, plain and simple.  It sounds like you've been having a run of bad luck, and I wouldn't worry about marking this second copy as a problem swap.  If you still don't feel sure then you can always send PBS an email via the Contact Us button at the bottom of the page asking whether or not it will be held against you.  I'm sure they can reassure you.  Hopefully your next copy will be in the proper condition.



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Date Posted: 7/28/2008 2:32 PM ET
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I have had some books that I have received that are OK at first, but when I start to open and really read, stuff begins to happen.  On those, I just chalk it up to book roulette.. I am the one who became the last PBS reader of the book.  If the actual "coming apart"  happens on my watch I count is a my problem. 

However, if pages are falling out during my quick check of the book, I would count that as a sender problem.

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 3:45 PM ET
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Before I send a book out I 'fan through' the pages of the book to see if I can see anything obvious - turned down pages, writing, loose pages, etc.  Then I send it out.  When I receive a book, I flip through to make sure that all the pages are intact. 

If I feel I can't repost the book (upon arrival to me), then I'll post it as RWAP, and request my credit back.  I've only had to do this twice, and it was obvious before the book was ever sent to me that the pages had been loose for a while.   Pat

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 5:53 PM ET
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I marked it recieved without a problem but let her know about it.  Her reponse was that this was a USED book that has been sent 4 times and PBS is a USED book site that if I didn't feel I could post it again my library would probably LOVE to have it.  With that kind of response, I wish I would have marked it with a problem.  Oh well, on to requesting my 3rd one. I think it is just a string of bad luck like someone said.  I have been swapping for awhile now and this is the first major bump I would say.

Thanks

Patti

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 6:58 PM ET
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OK, folks please don't flame me but, this threads begs to have the question asked....

Patti,  I know the book is damaged and you won't be able to recoup your credit but, I guess this is curiosity is this for like your keeper shelf?  Even if a book has a problem but, I can still read it I certainly don't waste my credit on another copy...I just read the one I have.

Just a thought!!!

 

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 7:12 PM ET
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If I were you I'd send a copy of the PM conversation to PBS with an explaination that you didn't mark it RWP, why you didn't (just to explain).  Someone with that sort of attitude needs an eye kept on them.  It gets me agitated when people act like that.  Rules are Rules.  Hell, it's not like you asked for your credit back or anything, there's absolutely NO need for her to get rude like that.  It's worth having it on record, IMO.

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 7:51 PM ET
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I'm wondering why she needs to order a 3rd one too if it's not actually falling apart.  Should it have been posted? Probably not.  But if it's readable and can sit on a shelf than I'm wondering why a new one is needed. I've received a few that were questionable and didn't mark them RWP. Sometimes the crack or whatever is so slight and the pages aren't loose that it seems borderline.  I just figure I'm the last one to received it as a postable book.  I mark the ones that are obviously "cleaved" w/pages starting to loosen as RWP and ask for my credit back.  These darn, cheeply made books w/spines that crack even after one careful reading are why I joined another book trading website that allows posting the description of the book.  That's where my iffy books go.  It happens so easily with the newer books.  I have one that I bought brand new and read once, gently. It's already showing signs of seperation at the front and back covers.  I was so careful with it too since it's a WL book.  But you can see the glue in the front and back.

Date Posted: 7/28/2008 10:38 PM ET
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I got to thinking that same thing.  The first book was falling apart and is unreadable.  The 2nd one even though it is in questionable shape, can be read.  I just can't post it when finished.  So duh to me.  =)

Thanks guys/gals for your help!

Patti

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Date Posted: 7/29/2008 4:23 AM ET
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My library wouldn't take it - in fact, they wouldn't even sell it.