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Subject: Would you Mark this received late?
Date Posted: 5/16/2016 2:40 PM ET
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i received a book today that i requested on April 26,2016. according to the USPS.com tracking the book was mailed until May 3rd although that is just the date that the sending member sent the pre-shipment info to the post office. the package was marked acceptance in the same city/state until May 11th. so my question is would you consider this to be a late shipper? here is the tracking info.

May 16, 2016 , 11:49 am

Delivered, In/At Mailbox

 

SOUTH MILWAUKEE, WI 53172 

 

Your item was delivered in or at the mailbox at 11:49 am on May 16, 2016 in SOUTH MILWAUKEE, WI 53172.

May 16, 2016 , 9:16 am

Out for Delivery

SOUTH MILWAUKEE, WI 53172 

May 16, 2016 , 8:03 am

Sorting Complete

SOUTH MILWAUKEE, WI 53172 

May 16, 2016 , 7:46 am

Arrived at Post Office

SOUTH MILWAUKEE, WI 53172 

May 15, 2016 , 6:53 pm

Departed USPS Destination Facility

CHICAGO METRO 

May 14, 2016 , 11:44 am

Arrived at USPS Destination Facility

CHICAGO METRO 

May 12, 2016 , 7:23 am

Arrived at USPS Origin Facility

GREENSBORO, NC 27495 

May 11, 2016 , 5:43 pm

Departed Post Office

INDIAN TRAIL, NC 28079 

May 11, 2016 , 3:45 pm

Acceptance

INDIAN TRAIL, NC 28079 

May 3, 2016

Pre-Shipment Info Sent to USPS

i mean to me it seems that the member didn't even take the item to the post office until the 11th of may which is 8 days after they claimed to mailed it. isn't there suppose to be a rule on the site that they will mail in a timely manner? thoughts?

Date Posted: 5/16/2016 4:06 PM ET
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I wouldn't mark late, sometimes things happen. But it is annoying when books are marked mailed one minute after the label is printed. At least you got it.

Date Posted: 5/16/2016 4:22 PM ET
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I would not mark it late either...I have mailed books in a big blue box and then not had them marked "accepted" until days later. I have had books sent to me that were never scanned until the delivery scan at my mailbox. Once the book leaves the sender's hand they have no control over what happens or when it is scanned for tracking. Accusing someone of mailing late based on scans should not be done in my opinion.



Last Edited on: 5/16/16 7:25 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/16/2016 5:47 PM ET
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I wouldn't mark it late.

Date Posted: 5/16/2016 6:56 PM ET
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Also there is the "gave it to husband to mail" issue.  It does happen.

Date Posted: 5/17/2016 8:38 AM ET
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When did sender mark book mailed? If it was marked mailed on 5/3 but wasn't accepted at post office until 5/11, then it was mailed late. I would mark it late.

 I do understand that things happen and I have had members contact me to let me know book was being mailed late and I am ok with that. 

Date Posted: 5/17/2016 8:57 AM ET
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If it was marked mailed on 5/3 but wasn't accepted at post office until 5/11, then it was mailed late.

I very often mail my books from the APC. As soon as they're in the outgoing mail box at the APC I mark them mailed. However, very often they are not scanned as accepted for a few days. I've mailed books out Friday night that haven't been scanned accepted until Tuesday or Wednesday. So no, I definitely would not mark this as a late mailing.

I often mail books from my office as well. We've had substitute mail carriers who have forrgotten to take our outgoing mail. So I've put books in outgoing mail on Thursday and marked them mailed. Then the substitute carrier didn't pick them up for 2 days, we don't have weekend mail delivery (managed mail location), and so they weren't accepted until Tuesday.

Unless you can actually prove that the book was mailed late (marked mailed 5/3 but metered postal strip says 5/11), I would not mark mailed late. AFAIK, a metered postal strip is the only definitive way to know when a book was mailed.

Date Posted: 5/18/2016 9:10 AM ET
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thanks for all the great comments.

Date Posted: 5/18/2016 8:34 PM ET
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The option is "Late Postmark" which is not referring to scans on tracking. If there is a Postmark on the package you use that, if there is not a postmark on the book then you should not be marking it as mailed late.

I've had some really oddly scanned books. Scanned as accepted in my city almost a week after I blueboxed it. I had one scanned as accepted in my city, then scan enroute just a little while late in a sorting hub in another state. We just don't know what happens in some of those POs after they turn the book over.

Date Posted: 5/20/2016 7:51 AM ET
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I wouldn't mark it late. I don't ever mark when  a book is received. I used to when i first joined, but life happens, as someone mentioned. While I always do my best to mail within the deadline, I give the other person the benefit of the doubt and simply rejoice that I get the book. I don't believe in marking receipt data at all. The requirement should be abolished. A person is either going to mail in a timely fashion because that's who they are, or they aren't.

Date Posted: 5/20/2016 11:29 AM ET
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I disagree about people mailing late because it's who they are. I get people who are late, but still if you agree to something, you should honor it. I see people at my job who are habitually late and sure what's a half hour/ (Until the end of the week comes and it's a half hour, getting back from lunch is always a few minutes late, etc..it adds up)

 

I have had people mail a book after it was lost in the mail. Once, I got 2 copies of the same book and I didn't want to give her the credit, she mailed it a week after it was lost and another person posted it. It was a wl book and I really thought it was lost. I still wound up losing out (I should've just given her the credit) because I mailed the book back because it would be wrong to keep it and not "pay" for it.

That's just my .02. There's 7 days to mail a book, if you can't, then pm someone. Don't just mail it whenever.

Date Posted: 5/20/2016 1:41 PM ET
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I have had people mail a book after it was lost in the mail. Once, I got 2 copies of the same book and I didn't want to give her the credit, she mailed it a week after it was lost and another person posted it. It was a wl book and I really thought it was lost. I still wound up losing out (I should've just given her the credit) because I mailed the book back because it would be wrong to keep it and not "pay" for it.

The rule about getting 2 copies of the same book is:

If the first copy was mailed on time but just didn't arrive for some reason before the book transaction timed out and the system ordered you another copy ... then, yes, it is right to give the sender of that late arriving copy a credit for mailing the book. (And, obviously the second sender gets a credit too). Sometimes this just happens, it's just a risk that the book orderer takes for using this site (although it's a very small risk, IMO)  sometimes it just takes the PO an extra long time to deliver books for whatever reason and since it's not the senders fault, they deserve the credit.

However, if the first sender mails the book out late, and that's what causes the transaction to time out and you order and receive a second copy of the book ... in that case, you do NOT owe the first sender a credit, and you also do not need to return the book.

In that case, it is perfectly OK to keep the first copy of the book and not send a credit.

I would not have mailed the book back, nor would I have given a credit for it.

I DO take a pretty liberal view of "mail on time" though. As long as it arrives before the transaction times out, I'm good. I don't check on when stuff was mailed unless it seems like it's taking a really long time ... so I might not check until about 3 weeks after it gets mailed in any case. Almost everything arrives before I think I need to go start looking at mailing details.



Last Edited on: 5/20/16 1:43 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/26/2016 4:38 PM ET
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I don't mark them late if I receive the book and it's in good condition, I'm not going to nitpick.

Date Posted: 6/10/2016 1:55 PM ET
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What Melanie said, PBS guidelines refer to actual postmarks to qualify as mailed late.  I've received many pre-printed postage packages over the years that make me wonder, but USPS doesn't postmark them, so no way to check for sure.

Late mailing is frustrating, but I probably wouldn't have marked that one late.  Mayby if it was scanned as 2 or 3 weeks late, but there's still to many variables in USPS scans.  IIRC 'Delivered' is the only one they stand behind as correct. There's at least one blue box in my area that is rumored to not be emptied daily....despite what the sign says.

Unless PBS has changed the guidelines recently, a member can mark the book mailed up to 2 days before they actually do so (under certain circumstances).  Then add in weekends and possible USPS variances and 7 or 8 days isn't that far out of line.

Date Posted: 7/13/2016 12:17 PM ET
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Julie,

I'm one of those people who mark a book mailed after I print the label.  I had someone cancel one time and I just barely caught it before I shipped.  So now I wait until I'm ready to ship before I print that label and then yes I mark mailed right afterwards.  The little bit of time between that click and me wrapping the package, driving to the post office  and waiting in line isn't enough to skew any timeline that I know about.  I feel more confident about shipping this way; especially when I'm doing a deal.

Date Posted: 7/13/2016 2:42 PM ET
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But it is annoying when books are marked mailed one minute after the label is printed.

Yesterday I wrapped a book (all but the actual address label), and brought the package to my office. On my break I printed the label, attached it, marked mailed, and immediately put the book in the outgoing mail, all in under 5 minutes. So I did indeed print and then immediately mark mailed. Because that's exactly what happened.



Last Edited on: 7/13/16 2:42 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/12/2016 6:29 PM ET
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maybe she dropped it in a box outside PO, they brought it in, book fell behind a machine or counter and never got scanned.

It is possible she did mail it on time!

 

If I didn't already receive another copy of the book by the time I got it, I always just mark received.