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Subject: Marked a book received without problem but should have marked RWP
Date Posted: 5/4/2010 12:41 PM ET
Member Since: 7/5/2005
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Is there anything I can do now?  I received a book and immediately marked it received without a problem.  After I did that I flipped through it and there is a bunch of underlining throughout.  Can I unmark it and start over?

Date Posted: 5/4/2010 12:48 PM ET
Member Since: 8/18/2005
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Can I unmark it and start over?

Not that I know of.

You could PM the sender and let them know that the book had a problem, what it was, and that it shoudln't have been posted. They might refund you a credit if you're nice about it. But I think once you've pushed the button it's a done deal.

I'm not sure they'd do anything if you contacted TPTB, since they don't return the credit to you anyway. The sender has to do that.

 I'd call it my mistake, and be careful to really check the book out next time I had one come in. I'm sure there's more than a few of us that have been there, done that.

Date Posted: 5/4/2010 1:01 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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TPTB won't do anything even if you had marked RWP unless the person gets nasty with you or has a whole bunch of RWP at the same time.  You could try PMing them but they don't have to give you a credit back at this point. It's worth a shot though. 

I probably wouldn't bother asking for my credit back. But I would PM them to let them know that you can't just send out a highlighted book like that.  They expanded the rules on highlighting and books with highlighting and writing are postable if you PM and ask about it first.  So you can repost the book.  It used to be just textbooks but they changed it to include other books that may have been used as a texxt book-and so now pretty much anything could fall under that. 

Date Posted: 5/4/2010 1:06 PM ET
Member Since: 7/5/2005
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I didn't realize  they changed the rules for writing and highlighting.  Thanks for the update.

I pm'd the sender and very nicely told her the situation.  I didn't ask for my credit back.  I did say that we're not supposed to post books with writing, etc in them, but I guess that wasn't accurate.



Last Edited on: 5/4/10 1:07 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/4/2010 3:15 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2006
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Here's the updated info:

What is the definition of a textbook?

Actually, the way the system and rules are designed, it does not matter what the "objective definition" of a textbook is.  The club members decide this - as long as the rules in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS are followed.  See the explanation and examples below.

If a member considers her book a textbook she may Post it with underlining/highlighting/writing on text pages, according to the "textbook exception" in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS; BUT since the textbook exception in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS require her to contact the requestor and obtain PM consent to the book's condition, she won't be in the position of sending a "stealth textbook" to someone who doesn't expect to receive one.

Examples/further explanation:

  • Member A posts an Economics 101 textbook - something that most people would clearly consider a textbook.   
  • Following the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS textbook exception rules, she sends a Personal Message to the requestor when she gets a request, describing the book's condition.
  • Chances are good that she will get PM consent from the requestor to send the book with highlighting/etc. 
  • Member B posts a novel (fiction) that she used in a class - something that most people would NOT consider a textbook.
    • Following the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS textbook exception rules, she sends a Personal Message to the requestor when she gets a request, describing the book's condition.
    • Chances are good that she will NOT get PM consent from the requestor to send the book with highlighting/etc.
    • If the requestor declines the book in its condition, Member B will have to cancel the request and repost her book.  It will go to the 'back of the line' for requests.  (If it is a Wish Listed book, it will be offered to the same wisher and the sender will again have to cancel.  She will have to wait for the wishing member to get a copy of this book from someone else before Member B can post her copy again.)

So, the farther the book is from a 'textbook' in common perception, the more likely it will be difficult to get consent to its condition.  Members in Member B's situation may encounter several declines, and will eventually realize that the book is not likely to be acceptable to the club in its condition.  Member B will stop trying to offer it as a "textbook"  and will consider it instead an unpostable/damaged book.

In this way, the club defines "textbook" on a case-by-case basis, and no one who is following the rules will be able to "surprise" another person with a highlighted/written-in/underlined book.

Date Posted: 5/4/2010 4:13 PM ET
Member Since: 1/20/2009
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Well, it was partly accurate. You CAN post them, but the receiver needs to be told about the writing/highlighting/underlining in a PM and agree to the condition before you are allowed to send it to them. So, it was a violation of the rules.

Next time definitely try to look through the book before marking it received.

Date Posted: 5/4/2010 5:42 PM ET
Member Since: 7/5/2005
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Lesson learned.  I've been a member here for years.  You would think I would know better by now.  I guess most all the books(and I have gotten many) from PBS have been in really great shape so I become complacent.  oh well, life goes on!  No biggie.



Last Edited on: 5/4/10 5:42 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/4/2010 8:19 PM ET
Member Since: 12/21/2009
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I marked a book received w/o problems once, then cracked it open to read it and it fell clean off the backing!! Like it had been holding the last bit of life to the spine. Usually I just give them a brief perusal and a sniff to determine them good. I'm not really picky. But one day I'll get shafted again and wish I had given them a better check. Sorry about your book!

Date Posted: 5/5/2010 12:02 AM ET
Member Since: 9/13/2007
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 I accidentally used the "send to a friend" feature instead of updating my address once. I didn't realize my mistake until the book arrived in terrible condition and I found I was unable to mark it RWAP. I asked for my credit back anyway and the sender was nice enough to refund it even though I had been unable to mark it correctly. 

It never hurts to ask.