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Subject: Maybe This Will Be My Safe Haven
Date Posted: 5/6/2008 6:09 AM ET
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I'm hoping that this will be a safe haven for me to discuss religious things and quote a scripture or two without feeling like I'm standing before a firing squad...still feeling a little timid but, thought I'd give it a try.

Today at work we are celebrating Nurses Day and as I'm on the committee providing the stuff I think we are going to have a fun day...at least I plan on having fun...

Hope everyone has a wonderful and blessed Tuesday!!!

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 8:06 AM ET
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You're safe here... hope you have a wonderful Tuesday as well!

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 9:12 AM ET
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This is a very safe place to be!  I rarely look at CMT anymore for the reasons cited by Christy.........this is a much happier place!

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 10:11 PM ET
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Mathew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that  endureth to the end shall be saved. 

Christy,  remember,  we're to speak the word in season and out.  That means when they want to hear and even when they don't.  The word of God is powerful and you never know whos heart the Lord has prepared to receive.  Don't let a few discourage you from the work that the Lord has for you to do. We're on the winning team!!!

 

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 10:48 PM ET
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It *is* safe here, right? People don't come charging in here ready to fight, right? I sure hope so.



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Date Posted: 5/7/2008 12:32 PM ET
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We're safe here.  All is well. :)

Date Posted: 5/8/2008 10:29 PM ET
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I'm sorry people have been ugly to you. There have been a few flaps on this forum but it is usually not perpetual.

Date Posted: 5/10/2008 1:17 AM ET
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AAAAAAHHHH, HOME!  I have been reading those other posts as well, its almost depressing to see people so willing and eager to reject our precious Lord!  I have felt the need to pray for them, they are so lost, it is such a shame!  But I do agree, the WORD is sharper than any two edged sword, and all of us quoting scripture just makes the devil horribly uncomfortable!  Stand strong in the Lord my fellow sisters, God is our refuge and strength!  I must say, after reading some of those posts, it sure feels good to come here! YEAH!

In Christ,

Terri Lynn

Date Posted: 5/11/2008 9:12 PM ET
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Terri, I know what you mean.  What really amazes me is how people (in general, not talking about anyone specific) have hardened thier hearts against God.  I know it is scriptural, but the magnitude of it in the world today is staggering to see. 

Date Posted: 6/1/2008 9:48 PM ET
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I don't know if the R&S section is going to survive or not since everyone seems to be scattering into their own groups. But I've never posted in this section so I thought I would drop in and say hello.

/waves

 Hi everyone!  :)

Date Posted: 6/1/2008 9:56 PM ET
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Hi Amy!

Welcome!  Make yourself at home.  This is a nice bunch of ladies.  (Well, there might be a guy or two here somewhere!) 

Glad to have you! =0)

 

Date Posted: 6/2/2008 3:56 PM ET
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Hi Amy.  :)

Date Posted: 6/2/2008 4:41 PM ET
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It's sad, but I'd rather feel welcome and safe than be afraid to post something for the retaliation that often ensues.

Welcome, Amy.

Date Posted: 6/2/2008 4:45 PM ET
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Hi Amy!  Glad to have you here!  This is definitely a safe and welcoming spot here on PBS.

Date Posted: 6/2/2008 5:38 PM ET
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I must admit, there is certainly a different feel to this forum. Something intangible but something very nice. Like a cup of hot tea and a warm blanket and a good book on a rainy Saturday morning.  <-- total cheese statement, but it's true.

For what it's worth, I have found one small way to post my beliefs (aka the TRUTH) in very controversial forums (on this site and others) with minimal backlash. (While no backlash is ideal, you take what you can get).  In the spirit of "tolerance" we are supposed to listen to what other people believe, no matter now off the wall it is.  In the same spirit of "tolerance" it is only fair that people listen to what we believe as well. 

But this is the catch... State what *you* believe, boldly and without reservation, but present it as such, ie: you are stating what *you* believe. Most of the time, people cannot fault you for stating what *you* specifically believe.  After all, that's what everyone else is doing, too.  But the second you state what *you* believe in the context that *everyone else must believe this too*, you will get bodyslammed in an instant.  That is the approach that the majority of the people on this site so vehemently resent.

I think that all of us desire to share the truth.  I don't see any reason why we cannot do that.  But we cannot present those truths in a "my way or the highway" attitude.  I read all of the posts on the "Should We Have an Atheist Forum" thread.  It seems that the general concensus is this: share your beliefs all you want even if they are Christian.  Just don't tell people that they have to be a Christian or they're going to hell.

We can't share the truth with people if our approach makes them deafen their ears to anything we say.

That's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.  Thanks for all of the nice welcomes :)

 

Date Posted: 6/3/2008 2:01 PM ET
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Hi Amy--

You said--... State what *you* believe, boldly and without reservation, but present it as such, ie: you are stating what *you* believe. Most of the time, people cannot fault you for stating what *you* specifically believe.  After all, that's what everyone else is doing, too.  But the second you state what *you* believe in the context that *everyone else must believe this too*, you will get bodyslammed in an instant.  That is the approach that the majority of the people on this site so vehemently resent.

Good tip :)

Date Posted: 6/3/2008 5:06 PM ET
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No offense Amy, because I tend to agree with you.  But some people have done just that (as far as stating *I believe* instead of *everyone believes*) and they have still been jumped on for those beliefs.  The problem doesn't just lie with the way Christians present themselves and their individual belief...some of it lies with how others tend to percieve those beliefs, and a lot of people on here (general) just want to be arguementative towards Christianity, no matter how it is presented. 

 

Date Posted: 6/3/2008 5:29 PM ET
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Hi Patricia!

I completely agree with you that there are people out there (in PBS and the world at large) who will be argumentative towards Christianity no matter how it is presented.  In those cases, there is absolutely nothing that we can do about it, other than respond to (or ignore) those comments in as Christ-like a manner as possible.

For those who are open-minded enough to participate in a mature and civilized sharing of different ideas (a tall order sometimes, I know) I have found that people will usually offer Christians the same courtesy that they offer all other beliefs as long as our beliefs are presented respectfully.

Most people cry 'proselytization' whenever Christians try to 'convert' them.  There are varying degrees of proselytization, and some people are far more sensitive than others.  For most, simply saying, 'You're wrong' is  considered proselytization.  Telling someone that they are going to hell definitely counts as proselytization. For some, simply being a Christian voice in a secular forum counts as proselytization.  Some cry wolf at anything.  Some are genuinely offended.  But no matter how it is presented, no one responds well to being called an unregenerate sinner, and frankly, I'm not sure that I would either. (<-- general example, btw)

While I feel that total neutrality is something of a weaker stance to take, it is still a stance.  I am willing to roll with the punches and let the argumentative ones be argumentative if it means that I can still share my beliefs with others who are courteous enough to listen.  I've had to grow a pretty thick skin by posting on these forums, but if that's what it takes then so be it.  I would rather take a hit or two than let the argumentative ones silence my voice completely.

My thoughts, for what it's wroth.

Date Posted: 6/3/2008 5:40 PM ET
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Being laughed at for believing that Satan exists.

Being told we're stupid for beleiving in creation.

Both are solid examples of why this has nothing to do with the way "we" present ourselves.

 

Date Posted: 6/3/2008 7:15 PM ET
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Amy, those are good points, and I agree with you for the most part.  :)

However, I also agree with Michelle.  There have been several threads (mostly on Club Members Thoughts forum) in which people have made fun of Christians.  Every time Creationism is brought up, for example (since that is a recent topic).  "We" are called stupid, un-educated, etc. because *science* doesn't back up our beliefs (nevermind that evolution has never been 100% proven...but that's a different topic!  LOL).

The point is, no matter if a Christian is "preaching" at someone or not, non-Christians have little tolerance for us here on the boards.  I have seen it over and over.  Yet if anyone tries to say anything negative about another religion, they are immediately trashed on.  That's one-sided tolerance in my opinion.

But hey, them's just my thoughts!  :D

Date Posted: 6/3/2008 8:31 PM ET
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Yeah, the bible was written way before any books on evolution. Theoretically, say I wrote a chapter today about Paperbackswap and what the site was about and put it in a vault somewhere. 500 Years later, alot happens, maybe there is no PBS. A person 500 years from now finds no evidence of PBS since it was a select group of people and says it never existed. So my chapter then is make believe? That is what is being said about the bible.

Date Posted: 6/3/2008 10:52 PM ET
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For what it's worth, I agree with the last 3 posts (Michelle, Patricia, Shannon) 100%.

As a clarification, I don't want it to sound like I'm making the issues here 'our' fault because of how we say things.  Not at all.  One-sided tolerance is causing a lot of the trouble.  Or perhaps it's multi-directional tolerance for everything except for Christianity...

I'm sure all of us could easily add 5 or 10 things to Michelle's list...and all of it just makes my heart hurt, for a lot of different reasons.  As far as the whole evolution vs creation threads go... Patricia is totally dead on.  Nothing gets me ready for my day at work more than being called an ignorant, unintelligent person who would still believe that the earth was flat had not science stepped in and put religion in its place.  /sigh  That is one discussion that never ends well, no matter how you phrase it.  Simply saying "I believe in creation and that Biblical stuff, too" will get you put in the corner with the dunce cap.  It's craziness.  It happens all the time.  It makes me sad.

Sorry if I hijacked this thread...I certainly didn't think this discussion would go on quite so long.  I didn't come in here to 'start' anything, but to throw out a bit of advice that has been helpful to me in the past.  In all, I guess that my main point is this:

Regardless of what I do, there will be times on this forum where I will be made fun of for my beliefs.

The main weapon used against us (besides insults) is the cry of proselytization.  No one can take action against me (ie: report me to R&?) if I am not proselytizing.  Therefore, I can handle the insults to an extent (I'm not going to be a punching bag) and can continue to share my beliefs because they will have no legitimate grounds for stopping me.

It makes sense in my own head at least...  I'm enjoying all of the thoughtful input though. Thanks!

Date Posted: 6/4/2008 12:37 AM ET
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Amy, I hope you don't feel ganged up on. =) Some of us are still nursing our bruises from the beatings we've taken lately. I've all but cut out 50% of the posters I used to interact with because of this, and I don't visit as many forums as I used to.

There comes a point when I have to get myself out of places that no good comes from. I might not plant a seed that time, but at least I escape with my sanity intact. ;)

 

Date Posted: 6/4/2008 12:52 AM ET
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Amy, I hope you didn't misinterpret my posts!  I didn't think you were "starting" anything...but rather that we are all just having an interesting conversation.  :D 

Michelle is right, and I'm adding that some of us are just venting a bit because of recent battles, so please forgive us if we appear hardened ourselves.   Please feel free to post your thoughts here without fear of reprimand!  :D

Date Posted: 6/4/2008 7:16 AM ET
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