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Subject: Did not meet RC?
Date Posted: 12/15/2013 10:57 PM ET
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Ok, I do realize that I could have been more specific in my RC, but this was my very first try:

These Poison Apple books are a birthday present for my daughter.  I don't need them to be perfect, but I would like them to be in nice shape for her (no bends, folds, major creasing or heavy-duty wear).  Thanks for helping me give her a nice present!  :)

Should I have also requested that there not be another child's name written inside the front cover, and miscellaneous doodles inside the back cover (all in pen)?  Because that's what I got.  I don't mind giving my daughter books from here - for a gift though, I would like them to be in better condition.  So my question is:  is this a big enough deviation from my RC to mark RWAP?  Thanks in advance!


 

Date Posted: 12/15/2013 11:13 PM ET
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Unfortunately, in my opinion, saying "don't need them to be perfect, but... in nice shape" leaves it widely open to interpretation of the sender. I think most of us would not send something with names and other markings on it when it is meant for a gift, but since you don't list it in the things you specifically don't want, there is no way for the sender to know you don't want them. IMO, a RWAP would be doing so for things you did not say you didn't want. RCs really need to be clear on exactly what you do and don't want "nice" does not explain exacty what you do and don't want.

Date Posted: 12/15/2013 11:35 PM ET
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Thanks, Melanie, I was kind of thinking that too.  Sigh - just because I would never think to send a book with someone else's name all over for someone requesting it as a gift, I suppose I shouldn't assume others would think the same.  I'll give it to dd as a "just because" book, not a gift.  No biggie in the long run, I was just self-debating how to mark it.  :)


 

Date Posted: 12/16/2013 3:58 AM ET
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Doesn't the rules state no writing?  I think the ink doodles make this book unpostable unless you use the textbook rule.  And for that you must PM the requestor and ask if they want the book.  It can only be mailed if they reply and say yes.  If nothing else, those doodles are something I would not expect in a book I state in my RC will be given as a gift.  Just my opinion and understanding.

Date Posted: 12/16/2013 8:45 AM ET
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The rules are that there be no writing on text pages without PM'ing first. Writing on the blank page at the front, the back of the cover, etc., are explicitly allowed on the help page for what can be posted here.  And if whoever sent it had posted it a while ago, they may not have checked it again before sending.  (I know once I've listed something, I don't always go back and re-check it when I pull it out months later to mail.)

Date Posted: 12/16/2013 10:42 AM ET
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I went to double-check, and yes, Evelyen, you're right.  I guess I'm out of luck.  I would think that someone would double-check a book before accepting someone's RC, but maybe she thouht it was ok.  I'll go ahead and just mark it received, and make sure I add "no writing" to my next RC.

Ironically, I did not use the RC when I requested the next book in the series for her, and it's on the third sender.  I just can't win!  ;)  Thanks again for all your help, everyone!

Date Posted: 12/16/2013 1:16 PM ET
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My advice is not to make any assumptions and just say in the clearest way possible what you want. That's it. Don't mention what things are for. The gift thing alone, in another scenario, could have had the reverse effect and scared someone off even if the book would have been acceptable to you.

Date Posted: 12/16/2013 2:33 PM ET
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What Dale said yes

Good luck on receiving the books you want soon.
 

Date Posted: 12/16/2013 6:18 PM ET
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Could you use a nice paper to adhere to the inside covers to cover them up?

Date Posted: 12/18/2013 9:55 PM ET
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I suppose I could, but I just gave it to her as a non-gift.  She still liked it.  :)  Thanks everyone!

Date Posted: 12/29/2013 1:09 AM ET
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Seems like no matter how specific you are there will be people who ignore your RC or peoplewho see an RC and automatically reject a request. The annoying part for me is when they give a nonsensical reason. I have one RC. "Please no books from a CURRENT smoking environment." So I got a rejection today stating "can't guarantee smell." I didn't ask for a smell guarantee. If your home is not a smoking one then it's ok.
Date Posted: 12/29/2013 8:59 AM ET
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I would reject your smoking RC, too, Nancy.  I had someone tell me my book "REEKED of smoke," even though I couldn't smell it and we don't smoke.  But I had gotten it in a PBS transaction and read it quickly, so maybe the person before me did.  Once bitten, twice shy.  I don't accept ANY scent RCs anymore.  Period. 

Date Posted: 12/29/2013 9:09 AM ET
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Well Kathie, I think that's ridiculous. If the RC is clear and your book fits that RC, why would you reject it?
Date Posted: 12/29/2013 12:44 PM ET
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Nothing is going to be perfect. There are some people who go to extremes. Sometimes they get scared at hearing about one or two things scent related and think that anything with a scent of any kind could be a problem. Some might imagine no smoke even from a house with a fireplace or reject all scent RC just because every once in a while someone had the book before someone else who may or may not have smoked.

You can not satisfy everybody, but the "no smoking" or "no smoking environment" RC is one of the most common RC, if not the most. I can't believe that people decling it based on that RC is the norm. I've only gotten one or two declines for that reason out of around 70+ requests.

If you decide to use that RC, the risk you take is that "every once in a blue moon" you might be annoyed and frustrated. Over time, you just have to learn to laugh at it; even if every "once and a while" it might also cost you a credit.

 



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Date Posted: 12/29/2013 6:32 PM ET
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"Well Kathie, I think that's ridiculous. If the RC is clear and your book fits that RC, why would you reject it?"

I would reject it for the exact reason I stated in my original post. 

You can think me ridiculous.  Matters not to me.  I was simply explaining why someone (myself included) might automatically reject any scent-related RC.

Date Posted: 12/29/2013 6:37 PM ET
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There is no SCENT RELATED issue. Either the book is in a CURRENT smoking home or it's not. I'm not asking anyone to smell the book.
Date Posted: 12/29/2013 6:49 PM ET
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There is no SCENT RELATED issue. Either the book is in a CURRENT smoking home or it's not. I'm not asking anyone to smell the book.

My apologies.  I've never considered a "smoking home" RC relating to something other than the scent of cigarette smoke.  Forgive me for assuming that that was your concern.

Date Posted: 12/29/2013 6:53 PM ET
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Apology accepted.
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Date Posted: 12/30/2013 10:11 AM ET
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Nancy K, out of curiosity, if the book was in a currently non-smoking home and someone accepted the request, but when you received the book, it smelled of smoke, would you RWAP?

Date Posted: 12/30/2013 10:25 AM ET
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I'd probably PM the sender. It's never happened yet. I guess I've been lucky. If someone is honest and says, "sorry the book smells of smoke " and reject the request it would be fine. But just blanket rejecting an RC without a book actually failing that RC seems ridiculous to me. I've swapped hundreds of books, many with Ross and have never had a RWAP. Most people on PBS are incredibly kind and easy to deal with. There will always be one bad apple I guess.
Date Posted: 12/30/2013 10:27 AM ET
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Many with RCs. Sorry. Didn't notice autocorrect on my phone.
Date Posted: 12/30/2013 11:24 AM ET
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Nancy, you said your RC was not scent related, now you talk about the smell of cigarette smoke.  For me, that just reinforces my choice to reject all scent RCs.  To each his/her own.  Fortunately, everyone has the right to have RCs and everyone also has the right to reject them. 

Date Posted: 12/30/2013 11:43 AM ET
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Count me among those who'd reject for smells, or any other subjective RCs.

Nancy, I see what you're saying.  But suppose a book reeked so heavily of smoke you couldn't bear it, yet the person who sent it swore it came from a nonsmoking home?  Do you RWAP despite what they say?

Date Posted: 12/30/2013 11:58 AM ET
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In that case Mick, yes I would. The sender should reject saying that the book reeks of smoke. Like I said I have never had a problem and nobody has ever sent a book that reeked of smoke since I used the RC. However, I've had rejections with nonsensical reasons.. Just reject then. Don't tell me you can't guarantee that the book doesn't smell.
Date Posted: 12/30/2013 11:59 AM ET
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And I dont consider "CURRENT smoking home" to be subjective.
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