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Subject: New format, WL, and tags
Date Posted: 8/14/2008 9:44 PM ET
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I've been "tagging" for my own personal use on my WL.  I realize that members and TPTB consider this unsatisfactory.  I really didn't want to do it where others could see it, but I didn't know any other way.  I'm perfectly fine with deleting all my tags and not ever doing it again.  But I would love to ask if there is a place somewhere within my account where I can make the notations I'd like to have on my WL that I can access but doesn't inconvenience anyone else.  I need help!   Please???  ;D

Ruth

Date Posted: 8/14/2008 10:18 PM ET
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I've been "tagging" for my own personal use on my WL.  I realize that members and TPTB consider this unsatisfactory.

I know they don't want "Damaged copy" or "Do Not Order" or tags that are offensive. The generic tags would just confuse people, as it'll look like every copy of that book is 'damaged'.  But personalized tags should still be fine. The rules are here...

http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/search.php?terms=tags

And they say personal tags are allowed. Couldn't you just put in your initials or something so people would know it was just a personal notation?

 

 

Date Posted: 8/14/2008 10:26 PM ET
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No, it wouldn't be useful for anyone else...so that's the point of getting rid of them.  But the tags I'm using are the ones like " 2/23".  I want to put that somewhere so I know where I am.  I'm a control freak I guess, and I want to know where I started to where I am.  So I'd like a little private notation spot like there is on the TBR or Bookshelf lists.  Maybe I'll just print them out.

Ruth

Date Posted: 8/14/2008 10:36 PM ET
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I like to tag my wishlist items with how I heard about the book (who or what recommended it) so I remember why I wanted it.
Subject: So Upset - heartbroken and near tears
Date Posted: 8/14/2008 11:09 PM ET
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I'm quite upset....every since I started here I've been tagging the books I've read with "already read-clh"  obviously with the " but, now all 650+ tags are GONE GONE GONE....I did that so that while I was browsing books I could quickly see what one's I had read....

Date Posted: 8/14/2008 11:45 PM ET
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That stinks, Christy, but you can add all the books you have read, either received from here or read, ever, on your Books I've Read list. Just click on +BIR on any book image or list anywhere on the site.  

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 6:57 AM ET
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Yeah Cheryl I know that BUT, do you realize that when you are scanning someone's bookshelf you don't see that information...having the TAG there saves having to pull up each and every description and when you use dial-up that can take forever.  This has royally ticked me off...I've picked another one of the "acceptable" Tags that is listed in the Help Center and I am going to re-tag every blinking book...  My second grief with it is they should have at least sent out a warning email to those whose Tags were being deleted...it would have helped to have been able to print off a list of those books.  I find what they did quite inconsiderate...

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 7:23 AM ET
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Hey, all of my "don't have-ma" tags are gone too!  These personal tags weren't supposed to be deleted!  What the ....

Unhappy, extremely unhappy...



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Date Posted: 8/15/2008 8:27 AM ET
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I thought that only the most popular tags were going to be used on a book (maybe top 10) and the idea was that personal tags would become only visible to you. 

As far as a book tag saying something like damaged, any PBS-er who has read through the Help Center should have realized that it does not pertain to every book under that title.

I think an innapropriate tag would be something that contains a spoiler or has truly offensive language in it.

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 8:58 AM ET
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well, The Help Desk when I emailed and complained said that Tags such as these were being voted to be deleted by other members that found them a bother.  My beef is that these are Personal tags and according to the help center they are acceptable...if that is the case then they need to be left alone.

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 10:05 AM ET
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Well, I'm glad I was able to print mine off before they went.  I'm sure that many of us would have done the same if they had had warning.  Or maybe we did have warning with the "missions" to clean up the tags that have been going on and we just didn't understand it was a warning.  I don't know. I'm sorry that you all didn't get the chance to do what I did. 

My big worry now is my reminder list.  I am not going to print that off.  I'm not sure what I can do if I just see a book I might be interested in but not enough to put on a WL.  That's what my reminder list has on it.  I put them on the RL and then as I have time I research the books.  Guess I'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

Ruth

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 10:08 AM ET
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BTW - I'm an old undeducated (about computers) person who knows that "tags" have become the big thing now.  I don't understand why.  In many ways in my mind it's like trying to remember all the passwords I'm supposed to remember and can't.  Can anybody explain to me the core ideas behind the popularity and use of "tags"?  ;D

Ruth

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 10:30 AM ET
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Ruth, I use the tags personally so that when I browse someone's bookshelf I don't have to go into each and every book description to see if I have read that book, have that book on my bookshelf, have it already on my wishlist etc.   with the tag you see it right there.

My understanding is the the goal is to have Personal TAGS only visible to that person...so, I don't understand why they are allowing people to remove them when they belong to someone else.

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 11:05 AM ET
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Sigh.  If they could just understand tags should be localized.  It works for so many other sites, I'm not sure why it wouldn't here.

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 1:07 PM ET
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gar.  i noticed this morning all of my tbr tags are missing.  as mentioned by someone else, i did all those so i could see what books i already have when i'm shopping someone's shelf, or looking at the club wishlist.  slightly more aggravating - when i received an unpostable book i tagged it, and those tags were removed.  so yesterday i added a more specific 'my copy not postable' to the ones i can remember so it was very clear it only applied to the person who added the tag and not everyone, and now those are gone.  i *like* knowing which of my WL TBR books are unpostable so i don't decide to read it so i can get a credit and have it turn out i should have known ahead of time the book couldn't be posted.

i'm kind of puzzled though.  if i read the help docs right, you can vote to remove a tag, but it said that it would only remove the tag from that specific book once enough votes have been tallied.  are they just getting rid of the tag *everywhere* when someone votes it's not appropriate?

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 2:00 PM ET
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Ellen...my understanding is that when a Tag is voted inappropriate they are removing all of those Tags calling them redundant.

I've had numerous emails back and forth with TPTB regarding this....according to the Help Desk these are "appropriate" tags and in my opinion they should not be removed...they are personal...

I find alot of the ones that have been applied by I guess some of the Tag Missions to be highly redundant...such as tagging it with the Author's name...hello that is in the Book details and does not need to be in a tag...

I'm afraid that in attempting to make it better they are going to create a Tag War!!!

Subject: Perhaps the solution would be
Date Posted: 8/15/2008 2:38 PM ET
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to default tags as "private" with a list of one's tags to access via a "make public" box in one's account ...  for things like "So-and-So series" or "middle east", etc. that's be swell, but not WL status, previously read, etc. In other words, people wouldn't be adding obviously unique  such as "3/105" or "read 7/07", but would still see them for their own use (without lifting a finger)? Sound ok?

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 2:53 PM ET
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I like your idea, John.  That's what I thought would have happened even though I don't understand how to program for it.  Maybe that couldbe a goal for the TPTB if enough members were interested.  I don't know how much of a problem it would be to implement or if it would drag down the programming.  But that is what I would prefer...I don't really want other people to have to read what I want tagged.

Ruth

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 3:31 PM ET
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I'm not sure I understand your suggestion John....here is why I use Tags...for books that I've read I use a Tag such as IR-clh or books on my TBR list are TBR-clh, etc.  That way when I am browsing someone's bookshelf I know if I've already read that book or perhaps it is in my huge TBR pile.  I don't want to have to go into the book details every time I think I've found a book that I want to read. 

I don't care if other people see them but, I don't want them removed.

Len S. (lens) - , - PaperBackSwap Team
Date Posted: 8/15/2008 3:58 PM ET
Member Since: 12/21/2006
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We have added the "On My:" line when you're browsing other members' bookshelves. For those not familiiar, the "On My:" line lists each of your personal lists that the book you're looking at is already on.

This replaces the need for personal tags of the nature being discussed here. (Christy H. -- no need to re-tag those books!)

John S. and Ruth F. -- We did try to implement separate personal and public tags during this past development cycle, as this was the way to keep the most members happy. Unfortunately, this placed way too heavy a load on the servers... more or less doubling the amount of server work for any page containing tags.

Ellen F. - There is a Notes feature (a little yellow diamond next to the Write Review button) on your TBR pile. You can use this to remind yourself of which books are unpostable. When you've added a note, the diamond turns red. If you use Notes for only one specific purpose like unpostables, you'll know easily by looking at the color of the diamond for that book. Unlike Tags, Notes are private and can only be seen by you.

Please understand that ANY tag that describes the condition of a book will be quickly voted off. Even 'my copy not postable' could easily confuse a new member not familiar with how tags work.

Len

The PBS Team

Subject: Thanks Len!
Date Posted: 8/15/2008 4:49 PM ET
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Appreciate your thoughtful, very helpful, response!

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 4:58 PM ET
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Len,

It would be helpful if we had the notes feature available on the WL as well. A lot of people (me included) mark a book with some ranking information in order to track progress on the WL. (Have I even moved since I added this?)  If there is another way to track our WL progress, I'm not seeing it...

Thanks for all you do!

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 8:43 PM ET
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I second Jane!  I love watching my progress on my wish list items.  Even if it's just one spot every six months.  Please do consider adding a "personal note" for those of us obsessive compulsive types to stay up on our wish list.  Before tags, I did it on paper, but that was pretty tedious even before I got up to the full 200 spots available.

Subject: Personal Tags
Date Posted: 8/15/2008 9:31 PM ET
Member Since: 9/24/2005
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I liked personal tags!  I could tag books that I thought would make a good Bar Mitzvah (or other) gift, for example.

What I wish TPTB would do is make the "Members Wishing" list viewable on the mouse-over instead of having to click for it. 

 

Date Posted: 8/15/2008 10:58 PM ET
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Len, I was afraid of that about overloading the servers.  My husband is trying to help rewrite the code for the Patent and Trademark Office (web-site) in D.C., and I know there are many things that can impact the servers.  So I'm sorry about that. 

I do use the notes on the other lists.  And I've deleted any books that are unpostable from my bookshelf even if I haven't read it yet (it's on hold).

It's so nice that we get response from theTPTB!  ;D

Ruth



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