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Subject: The New Star Trek Movie
Date Posted: 11/19/2008 11:57 AM ET
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This looks bad ass: http://www.startrekmovie.com/

J.J Abrams is directing. I'm not a Trekky, so I don't have any old school devotion to the original. What do you think about this?

I get very excited about good sci-fi, and this looks like it will be good.

 



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Date Posted: 11/19/2008 12:55 PM ET
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From what I've read Abrams didn't make the movie for Trekkies (or rather, Trekkers, which is supposedly the "official" term) but rather fans of science fiction movies and action flicks.  On one hand it seems to have some promise, but it has obstacles to overcome.  Reboots always have the challenge of proving whether or not they're worth scrapping the old methods for something entirely new (like Casino Royale, which passed with flying colors imo).  Then there's the fact that the guy from Harold and Kumar plays Sulu, and Shaun of the Dead's Simon Pegg is playing Scotty, both of whom will be a little hard to separate from their previous works.  I'll admit, though, that the teaser trailer that showed the Enterprise under construction did give me goosebumps, and the anticipatory excitement has built slowly and steadily since then lol.

All in all, though, I think we've seen a trend towards better movies in general.  There was a time there where the only good movies were the ones obviously aimed at winning awards, but this year has really had some movies that were just good in their own right, especially from a "Dude" perspective.  Iron Man and Dark Knight and Quantum of Solace....it's been an extremely entertaining year, to say the least.  I'm finding it hard to think that J. J. Abrams is even capable of doing a bad job, though.

How about The Day the Earth Stood Still?  I know how some people feel about remakes of that sort, likewise the sentiment towards Keanu Reeves, but neither has bothered me much if the film turns out to be quality.  It looks kickass, and I'm really looking forward to it.  I don't think it'll be life altering or anything, but it looks like it'll be a damn good flick. 

Date Posted: 11/19/2008 1:12 PM ET
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I'm totally pumped about this.  I've been anxiously waiting for a long time.  Finally saw a trailor last night.  YAY!!!!

Date Posted: 11/19/2008 3:35 PM ET
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Well I am one who doesn't remember ever seeing any of the actors in the trailer in anything before.  Then again I haven't seen either of the two movies (shows?) previously mentioned.  The trailer looks really really cool and hopefully Abrams can follow through.

Date Posted: 11/19/2008 3:35 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/19/2008 4:26 PM ET
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Oooohh! Thanks for posting the link to the movie trailer.

I saw the trailer first on Monday night during Heroes. We were zipping thru commmercials on tivo and I hollered "Stop!" and made them back up to see the trailer.

Wow .....That looks good to me!

 

Date Posted: 11/19/2008 5:41 PM ET
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I love Simon Pegg, and Anton Yelchin, who is playing Chekov, is a great young actor.

Ron, I hadn't heard about the time travel. Do you think it's just a cheesey device used to put Nimoy in the film?

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Date Posted: 11/19/2008 9:49 PM ET
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I'm of two minds on this movie.  On the one hand, I am generally a fan of J.J. Abrams (Alias and Fringe, specifically... never did start watching Lost) and think he could really do a good job with Star Trek.  I've long thought they should just start the franchise over from scratch, after the overkill Rick Berman did in the 1990's from DS9 to Voyager and Enterprise.  All of which I liked, to varying degrees... it just got to be too much, and by the time Enterprise started the excitement was gone for me.  During the TNG run I would be stoked for each and every episode, and watching the reruns every week night.  By Enterprise I felt like I was watching the show out of a sense of duty more so than for fun. 

On that other hand, as much as I like the idea of a reboot, I'd still almost rather prefer to see the new movies stick with the established continuity.  I don't mind having new actors playing Kirk and crew (so long as they don't try to act like Shatner and crew... that would kill it).  But from what I've heard of it (which easily could just be pesky unfounded internet rumors) Abrams is taking a completely new approach to the characters and the universe, playing with different characters' pasts and friendships.  And I really hope he doesn't mess with Roddenberry's original vision of the  optimistic future where mankind has evolved past greed, war, poverty, etc.  That basic premise the heart and soul of Star Trek.

Nonetheless, I'll definitely go see it in the theater.  And even if it does start up a new continuity, so long as it's exciting and the plot is well thought out I'm sure I'll enjoy it.  In short... so long as it's better than Nemesis was!



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Date Posted: 11/20/2008 3:20 AM ET
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after seeing the trailer, i'm probably skipping it.  mainly, the characters just look way too young to me.  like, Star Trek Babies instead of Muppet Babies.  ;)  unless i hear that it's really good.  otherwise, maybe rental so i can gripe as much as i want at the screen.

Date Posted: 11/20/2008 2:12 PM ET
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Great. Now I'm singing my new Star Trek Babies theme.

 

Star Trek babies, we made a cool reboot,

Star Trek babies, its new and we're all cute,

 

 

I'll have to see the movie before I can write the rest.

 

Date Posted: 11/21/2008 3:07 AM ET
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LOL!  love it, Leah.  :)

Date Posted: 11/28/2008 9:34 AM ET
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I can't wait til my son wakes up so I can show this to him.  The husband and I got a good laugh watching the trailer.  Yep, we'll go see it.  And i love the Star Trek Babies song.  :-)

Date Posted: 5/10/2009 3:11 AM ET
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so as new trailers came out, i got more interested in the movie, and went and saw it today.  it was a lot of fun!  i actually don't know that i've seen too many of the original series episodes, but i've seen all the movies, and i watched the newer series.  ST:TNG every week, Voyager for a while, DS9 for a while, and only a little bit of Enterprise.  i rolled my eyes when i heard about Nimoy being in it, but that was well done too.  big thumbs up!

Subject: Saw the movie
Date Posted: 5/10/2009 7:53 AM ET
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MrsTomHl took me to see the movie yesterday as a birthday present.  It was on an "ultra screen" which is definitely the way to go with this movie.  I thouroughly enjoyed it.  I grew up watching the original show, watched some of each of the later shows as an adult, and have seen all the movies.  My favorites have been The Original Series and Deep Space Nine.  I did notice that they have departed from the "official" background of some of the characters and history of the Federation - through meddling with time, they are now in an alternate history-line.  I don't mind that; I'm not a Star Trek fundamentalist. 

I'm not going to post any spoilers.  Go see the movie, and then we'll talk...

-Tom Hl.

 



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Date Posted: 5/11/2009 2:43 PM ET
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We went to see the movie Saturday and loved it. I am a fan from way back and enjoyed the way they slipped in some classic lines and phrases but I also enjoyed it for its newness - the new storyline and the terrific special effects.

What a great job they did with this one. I want to see it again.

Date Posted: 5/15/2009 7:05 AM ET
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I've never been a Star Trek fan. I enjoyed "Voyager" but that was about it. So my feelings are pretty non-existant on this movie. I'll probably give it a watch when it comes out on dvd and I can get it for a buck through RedBox or something :-)

Paul H. (PaulH) - ,
Date Posted: 5/16/2009 5:01 PM ET
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I'm a Star Trek fan from way back (about the early 80's with the movies and TOS reruns, then of course TNG in high school/ college and onward).  I've watched all of it, have most on DVD and re-watch periodically.  (No, I don't do the convention circuit or dress up or anything!)  (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) 

As much as I did admitedly like the final show Enterprise, it was basically more of the same and getting rather tired.  I mainly watched out of a sense of duty to the franchise, and was kind of glad when it was canceled, just to give Star Trek a break.  I often thought if I were put in charge of Star Trek, I'd pull a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" type of thing and start over from scratch.  (That's a DC Comics reference - am I letting my inner geek show too much here?)  Anyway, that's exactly what JJ Abrams did with this movie!  I was really impressed with how he pulled it off in a way that would please fans of the "official" timline and still start over in a way to bring in new fans who don't need to know any of the huge history that's come before.  I do have a few nit-picky things about it, but I can overlook those simply becasue of how much fun this movie was.  (Much more so than the 9th and 10th films were!)

And I agree with Tom... if you have an Ultra Screen or similar giant screen theater nearby, that's where you must see this movie!



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Subject: New movie review: Major spoilers so don't read if you haven't seen it!
Date Posted: 5/24/2009 2:34 PM ET
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Hey Paul H.

I agree with you.  I'm a long devoted Trekker and was greatly concerned about the new movie without Rodenberry's direction.  We went to see the movie and overall, I was very pleased. I have a few complaints (but you can't please everyone all the time); I'm just happy ST is back.  It did kinda look and feel like "Trek Babies" and probably would have sit better with me if they hadn't felt a need to bring ALL the original crew members together at the same time.  It just didn't work that way, originally.  I know each crew member has their own following of fans who would have been upset if their favorite character had been dropped from the movie so I'm willing to let that go.  It was a little rushed (getting everybody together in under 2.5 hrs) and a little hokey (getting in everyone's classic lines......that we were all expecting,( and of course, enjoyed)  I might add), and a little disturbing to us classic fundamentalists Trekkers (the Vulcan world getting destroyed and the relationship between Spock and Uhura).  Told you there were spoilers.   I kept expecting them to go back in time to prevent the destruction of Vulcan and was almost floored when they didn't but after the shock wore off, I can understand and even go along with it.  Now on an alternate reality path, they are free to reinvent the characters and storylines, which I hope they do.  They now are not constrained to stay within the established rules of us "classic followers", and that's a good thing.  Now, they only have to concern themselves with staying true to the character of each person  (ie, you can't make Dr McCoy be evil and cruel without  MAJOR events or trauma reshaping his inner character and beliefs).  And they are now free to explore any and all worlds, aliens and previous storylines).  My one suggestion to the future writers of ST:  PLEASE stop with the time travel!!!!!  I've had enough.  My word, you'd think that would be uncommon.  And it always screws with my mind.  If you go back in time to kill your grandfather, how could you be alive to go kill your grandfather.  Alternate reality  timeline......... I hate that crap.

I will also give a thumbs up to the actors who took on the challenging roles of the original cast.  It took alot of courage to try and play such well established and well loved characters, knowing that they would be compared continuously to them.  And I'll say:  they did a great job.  Kirk was great (just what you'd expect...rash, chauvinistic, funny; McCoy was excellent, cranky, dedicated, loyal; Checkov was perfect, I loved the accent, hahahaha; Scotty was good but I'd like to have seen more of him (he was kinda quirky); Sulu was OK but  personality didn't shine in my mind (I liked the fight scene though), and Spock where my biggest concern lay.........I liked him.  Those of us who have watched Heroes know what I mean.  How can Siler play Spock?  But except when Spock has some anger issues, I didn't see Siler.  I was very happy with his performance and not even very concerned with the relationship with Uhura.   That can fit into my comfort zone of the classic timeline.  Uhura was OK but I would have preferred a black woman in the role and one who was tougher.  Perhaps in later movies they can give her more of a physical role.  I hate weak, sappy women!  

I like the older, original Spock in this new timeline.  Good place for him to be........reestablishing Vulcan, and teaching new generations. and plucked out of the original timeline (just disappearing in time.....timeless, in fact).  Nimoy does a wonderful job, as always, with his elegant, zen-like demeanor and it's has been wonderful to see his face take on more peaceful aspect as you would expect the tormented Spock would do as he not only  accepts but embraces his conflicting natures.   On a side note:  it is sad for us originalists to see the age and physical decline of Nimoy and feel the empty places left by the passing of Kelly and Doohan.   They shall forever be young and alive in our minds and hearts and I thank them for the joy they've given us.

Live Long and Proper

Date Posted: 5/25/2009 11:41 AM ET
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I'm another fan from way back....  have seen all the movies and watched all the TV series except Enterprise (Love the theme song but couldn't get into the characters.)  We went to see this last weekend and I wasn't sure what to think going in but we enjoyed it.  Discussion on the way home was "wonder when the next one is coming?"

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Subject: WARNING: PLOT SPOILERS
Date Posted: 5/25/2009 2:32 PM ET
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Hey Karen S,

I like most of your points... the cast was about as perfect as you could ask (except Chekov didn't quite work for me, for some reason.  And technically, Chekov didn't join the Enterprise crew until Season 2.  But then again, The Wrath of Khan places Chekov in the Season 1 episode "Space Seed", so that bit of continuity was messed up anyway.  Maybe Chekov was there in Season 1, he just happened to be off duty whenever anything exciting was happening! ;) 

The Spock/ Uhura relationship threw me, too, especially since history up until this point should be unaffected and there was never a hint of a relationship in TOS.  But to play devil's advocate, if there was a relationship before TOS that didn't go anywhere, Spock certainly wouldn't be the type of person to talk about it, and neither would Uhura, probably.  Also there was an episode ("The Tholian Web", maybe? - it's been awhile since I've watched TOS) when Kirk was missing, Spock was going to leave, and Uhura just gets in his face about him leaving his best friend behind.  A past relationship puts that scene in a whole new light!

 Also, on the topic of ST history, Kirk and Spock at this point should have had no clue that Romulans and Vulcans had a shared ancestry.  Since "Balance of Terror" hasn't happened yet, no one's ever seen a Romulan before.  As I recall none of the future Romulans had mentioned who they were to the crew of Geroge Kirk's starship in the beginning.  But, that's a minor continuity glitch, in a franchise that has ignored minor continuity glitches throughout its history. 

I also loved the way they used Spock Prime (as he's becoming known in fan circles now) - it always bugged me that they never did anything with his activities with the Romulan underground after the TNG episodes.  This kind of picked up on that - Captain Nero's comment that "Spock didn't save us" gave me the impression that he was making headway among the general Romulan populace.

As for the future, I think it's a guaranty that there will me more movies with this cast, what with the money it's raking in.  So more movies in this Vulcan-less universe should be interesting.  But that brings up another continuity conundrum... you'd have to assume that at some point these movies will deal with the Klingons.  So what version do you use?  The human Klingons or the turtle-head Klingons?  According to the old continuity Klingons are supposed to be human looking in this time period, as they originally looked in TOS, and as the last season of Enterprise finally explained away.  But if they use the now-conventional and more popular turtle-head look, that's going to bring back the old Klingon argument in fandom!

Also on a side note for the future, as much as I want to see more movies (and maybe a new TV show?) in this new continuity, I'm also really intrigued to know what's going on in the Prime continuity!  (Assuming that future still exists on a separate time line - and I agree, stop with the time travel stories already!)  Romulus has been destroyed!  That has to have major consequences on the political dynamic of the entire Alpha Quadrant!  What happens to the Romulan survivors?  Do they become like the Vulcans in the new continutiy, as agents of peace in the galaxy without a homeworld?  Do they become a kind of terrorist faction out for revenge, harrassing the Federaton, Klingons, Cardassians, etc?  Just think of the possibilities!



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Subject: At last....someone intelligent
Date Posted: 5/25/2009 11:41 PM ET
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Paul, you are a man after my own heart!!!  Finally, someone who "gets" it.  Someone to discuss the deeper meaning with.  I tried going to a Star Trek chat room but all I found was immature kids cursing each other.  Everytime I tried to steer the discussion, they would stay on point for about ten minutes and then start flaming each other.   I don't live, eat and breathe Star Trek (like some people) but I really like the concept of the universe as Gene Rodenberry envisioned.  As I was telling someone recently (while discussing the new movie), ST dealt with current issues of the time, inequality, injustice, racial bigotry, perseverance, loyalty and friendship.  Some of the technical sci-fi aspects of the show are making their way into our real life.  My phone looks, and for all intents and purposes, IS a communicator.  Medical practices are becoming much less intrusive and I can see a day when diagnostic  body scans (MRIs) and pills to regrow your kidneys are commonplace.  Work is being done on creating transporters (totally scary concept, right Bones???).  Locators (GPS devices) are now small enough to place on your dog's collars to help find them when lost.  Imaginative dreamers creates the concept and someone, smart and practical, then trys to make it happen.

I like the term "Prime Spock".  Thanks for that.  As for your points:  1)  yes, I know Chekov is a problem in the chronological sense but I liked him... the accent so strong that the computer couldn't understand him.   Hahahaha (don't know if it was an accurate depiction of a Russian accent though).   And, I thought he was spunky; at only 17 yrs old, he'd have to be a hard charging individual to have come so far so fast.  I'd like to see more of him.  2)  I agree with you on the Spock/Uhura liasion: at first, I was shocked but I, like you, figured, "Well, if it had only lasted for a time, neither Spock nor Uhura would "kiss and tell" afterward and she did always seem in tune to him during the show.  She would often draw closer to him in times of stress."  It works for me.  3)  I, also, picked up on "glitch" of Romulans being recognized before they should have.  I have only seen the film once (that was for the pure enjoyment) and want to go back to look for glitches. I see this becoming part of my permanent library.   It's hard for me to catch them all in the first viewing 'cause I'm so caught up in enjoyment of seeing my favorite world brought back to life after such a drought.  4)  I also wondered what happened to Prime Spock when he left to try and reconcile Romulans/Vulcans.  That should be explored.....alas, it shall have to be done in written form due to Nimoy's age, I fear.  5)  Klingons....ahhhh, my second favorite alien race.  You know I never had a problem with the human/turtle head differences.  I just wrote it up to "Hollywood makeup/budget issues" but someone at work was reminding me that an episode discussed this by saying "It was a genetic malformity that caused the smooth head and it isn't discussed in polite company".  I'm not sure if I remember that episode; I'll have to locate it.  Too funny!!!  I'll go along with that.  It WOULD be a sensitive issue.  6)  Lastly, I agree that destroying Romulus and Vulcan will dramatically change the political climate in the Federation.  Perhaps the Romulans and Vulcans will come together (not).  Although, with a smaller gene pool, it may be necessary.  I was never fond of the Romulans as much as the more colorful, violent Klingons and cool, elegant Vulcans.  Two extemes for my dual nature, I suppose.  Borg were pretty awesome as well.  Andorians????  Mixed emotions about them.

I did like the Cardassians but although I tried to watch DS9, I just had to stop.  That's when I believe everyone told me it got interesting.  I was overseas and couldn't get all the episodes.  I hated Sisko, I hated (what was the Shape shifter's name???) and I didn't care for the doctor.  I did like the Major, Quark, the symbiotic relationship of Dax/worm, and of course, Worf.  Ahhhhh.  I just wanted to caress those ridges.  Hahaha

Do you think they'll rework some of the old scripts?  Did you pick up on Captain Pike winding up in a wheelchair; just as he did in "The Cage" although not in as bad a shape?

Great to meet you, Paul.  See you on the Buddy List.

Karen...

Date Posted: 5/27/2009 5:29 PM ET
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Just wanted to jump in here for a second.

I recall only seeing ONE episode of Star Trek, it was the Tribble (sp?) episode from the original series. That was a couple of months before I met my DH. After we moved in, we watched some of the movies. We decided to buy the original series on DVD, as he is a big fan of the show of movies.

We have begun watching the Original series and I am loving every wonderfully cheesey minute of it.

We saw Star Trek and loved it. I am officially a fan now and look forward to seeing the other series.

Subject: Welcome Tracey
Date Posted: 5/27/2009 11:26 PM ET
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Welcome to the family, Tracey.  You can now call yourself a "trekkie"!  It's hard to believe a show that only had 79 episodes had such an impact on our culture, our lexicon and our hearts.   It spawned ten movies, four series,(other than itself), conventions, fan clubs, magazines and numerous books. 

Live long and prosper,

Bookfever (Karen S.)

Subject: some conceptual problems
Date Posted: 5/28/2009 1:43 PM ET
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Ok, as I mentioned I really enjoyed the movie.  Most of the continuity differences didn't bother me too much, as I accepted the idea of the alternate timeline.  But I have some conceptual issues.

First one is with long-distance beaming.  It seems that Scotty creates long-distance beaming late in the prime timeline, so that Spock can bring it back and influence the new timeline.  But doesn't long-distance beaming make starships obsolete?  And yet Neru is running around in a great big starship.  It will be interesting to see how this is handled in the new timeline as the knowledge becomes widespread.

Second one is that whole planetary drilling to drop a black hole thing.  Wow.  You don't need a drill.  Just beam (long or short distance variety) it inside the planet.  Or if you can't beam a black hole, just leave it in space in front of the planet, and let them collide.

Definitely this is science fantasy, not science fiction.  But fun.

-Tom Hl.

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But doesn't long-distance beaming make starships obsolete? 

Hmm... in theory, yes, but when Scotty mentioned that beaming from one planet to another is possible, he also added that he tried to prove it with Admiral Archer's beagle.  When Kirk asked what happened to it, Scotty replied under his breath "I'll let you know when it rematerializes."  (Poor Porthos!)  (Although I suppose it would probably be a different beagle by this time.) 

Anyway, my impression at this point is that interplanetary beaming is theoretically possible, but apparently not quite figured out just yet!

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