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Subject: Newbie Condition Question
Date Posted: 2/27/2009 1:47 AM ET
Member Since: 2/24/2009
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I am new here and Im still trying to figure things out. I have figured out quickly that this is totally addicting!! I am pretty particular about condition of my books when I post them, most are like new, but I have 2 books by the same author that Im questioning posting due to the condition. They are perfectly readable, some creases on the covers, a couple of frayed edges and rips less then one inch. No stains, no water damage. They just dont look nice and neat and pretty like the books I like to post. They are postable, I think (???) but do all these things add up to make these books not postable? I wouldnt mind doing these both together as one book to make up for the condition...but how do I do that? and is it something that I should do? Or should these books just go in the yard sale pile? Advice please.
Date Posted: 2/27/2009 1:51 AM ET
Member Since: 12/20/2008
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Welcome, Robin! This site is addictive!

IMO, what you have described is a postable book. Below you will find the PBS guidelines.

Cheers! Melissa

Here is a copy & paste from the help docs concerning book conditions and the link: http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/help_index.php

When you Post a book, you are asked to confirm that the book is "in good condition, and not excessively worn".  It is impossible to list all of the ways in which a book might be considered excessively worn, but the criteria below are as comprehensive as we have been able to make them.

If you feel your book falls into a "grey area", you can either post the book and send a Personal Message to the requestor, or not post the book.  We have delineated what we can, and we expect members to follow these guidelines, and use their common sense in cases that are unclear.  If you would not mind "paying" a credit for a book you are considering posting, then it is probably okay to post.  However, book condition can be a subjective matter.  Keep in mind that a pattern of sending out poor-condition or inappropriate books will jeopardize a sender's membership.

All of the information below apply both to swapping for credits and Box-O-Books swapping.

General remarks:

  • This is a used-book swapping site; books are not expected to be in like-new condition.
    • Older books may have some page yellowing or spine-creasing or dogeared pages; these are all OKAY.
    • Decirculated library books may have various markings and/or stamps inside or outside or on the page edges of the book; this is OKAY.  These may not obscure text.
    • BookCrossing books may have stickers or stamps or markings on the outside or inside covers or page edges of the book; this is OKAY. These may not obscure text.
    • Hardbacks do NOT have to include their dustjackets.
    • Audiobooks MUST be the original cassettes/CDs, but do NOT have to include the outer "box" that held the set.
    • Audiobooks must be playable.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for textbooks; see below.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for cookbooks; see below.
  • We do NOT have a place for members to describe the condition of a particular copy of a book.
    • ALL books on PBS are expected to be in "good, not excessively worn" condition
    • Books are requested in FIFO (first-in, first-out) order
  • If you would like your books to be in "better-than-PBS" condition :
    • You are responsible for setting Requestor Conditions on your account.

Guidelines:                                                                                                                                       

Overall Condition:

  • No damage at all from water or other liquid
  • Not soiled
  • No stains (exception for cookbooks--see below)
  • No mold
  • no highlighting, underlining or writing on text pages (exception for textbooks --see below)

Dust Jacket:

  • The DUST JACKET (this is not the same as the cover of a book) does not have to be included with a book at all, unless the requestor had this in their Requestor Conditions. 
  • So DUST JACKET condition cannot be considered as part of the condition of a book, unless there were Requestor Conditions on the request specifying that the dust jacket be included.
  • If the Dust Jacket was to be included as specified in the Requestor Conditions on the request, the Dust Jacket must meet the same conditions as defined for the cover, below.

Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1 inch) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • A bookplate inside the cover or on the flyleaf is OKAY

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

Pages:

  • No torn or chewed/gnawed pages
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed".  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • No loose or missing text pages
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • No writing or highlighting or underlining on text pages
    • a signature or note on the flyleaf or inside front or back cover is OKAY
    • an author's signature on the title page is OKAY
    • writing or highlighting on the text pages is NOT OKAY
      • Exception: if it is a textbook or workbook, these are expected to have highlighting/underlining/writing
        • if you post a textbook/workbook, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
        • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO before the book is sent
        • This is the one of the ONLY two cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent(the other is for cookbooks--see below).
  • No staining

    • Exception: Cookbooks may have some mild staining, since these are used in the kitchen and while cooking, and some minor degree of staining could be expected in a used cookbook.  Also a small amount of writing in cookbooks could be expected
    • HOWEVER, if you post a cookbook and it is stained and/or written-in, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
    • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO before the book is sent
    • This is the one of the ONLY two cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent (the other is for textbooks--see above).
    • this exception applies to the covers of cookbooks also.
  • Page edges: remainder marks are OK.  A name written on the page edges is okay (if it does not bleed in and obscure text on the text pages)
Date Posted: 2/28/2009 4:39 PM ET
Member Since: 9/27/2008
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Go ahead and post it, then when someone requests it, send them a PM that says, "While this book is within PBS guidelines, it does have X making it less than pristine.  Do you still want it?" 

Most folks will still accept it.  Real readers expect well-read books. 

Date Posted: 2/28/2009 4:48 PM ET
Member Since: 10/30/2005
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Real readers expect well-read books.

Can I steal that from you, knowing in advance that I will tell everyone who asks that I got it from Ray?

Date Posted: 2/28/2009 5:19 PM ET
Member Since: 2/6/2009
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Your conditions sound fine to me.

Im like you. I joined just a bit ago and the first books I posted were pretty much like new. Now, Im going to start digging for some older books to post and will be inspecting their condition more. Personally, I know this is a used book site and Im not gonna be all that picky about every little thing I notice. I can only hope that my requestors will extend the same kindness to me.

Date Posted: 2/28/2009 7:53 PM ET
Member Since: 9/24/2008
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From your description, they sound postable. If people want "above and beyond" that without fail, they should have RCs (Requestor Conditions) in place specifying their further needs.

Date Posted: 2/28/2009 7:53 PM ET
Member Since: 9/24/2008
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From your description, they sound postable. If people want "above and beyond" that without fail, they should have RCs (Requestor Conditions) in place specifying their further needs.

Date Posted: 2/28/2009 9:29 PM ET
Member Since: 3/13/2006
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Please post those books!  Many members join the site specifically to find older books that are out of print.  These books rarely are in pristine condition.  As long as your books meet the basic PBS posting guidelines they are fine!

Date Posted: 2/28/2009 9:37 PM ET
Member Since: 1/11/2007
Posts: 1,534
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Robin,

Welcome to PBS!

If you would like to send both books together for one credit, you can post a deal in the Book Bazaar - if someone orders one of the books from your shelf, you'll send the other book for free.

It sounds like the books are postable, but as you know, every book reaches the end of the line sometime.  I don't know if these books are at that point.  That's where we all have to make judgment calls.