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Subject: Newbie Questions regarding requests?
Date Posted: 1/28/2010 5:09 PM ET
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Ok so I'm a little impatient and have found the chat room to be quite helpful so far, so please accept my appologies Tour Guide :D


I just got my first request and wondered how I could PM the member. They are requesting the first book in the series of Manga I listed (Probaby to test it out I imagine to see if they like it).


I was wondering if I could PM them and offer a packaged deal to both save on shipping and quite honestly get it all off my shelf.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :D



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Date Posted: 1/28/2010 5:25 PM ET
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Welcome Dexter!

After you've accepted their request, there will be a PM button at the bottom of the book request dialog.  Just click that button and send your message.

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 5:29 PM ET
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Thanks for the welcome!


I don't want to accept w/o first offering a bundle deal on it or asking if they would even be interested in the other 6 I have.

Is that an option before accepting the offer? Do I have the option of refunding the credit after accepting?

Just don't want to have a negative light on myself if that is not an appropriate action being here for a whopping 6 hours and all. :D

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 5:31 PM ET
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I am new here also, so those who know better than me can step in and clarify if I am wrong, or expand on my response,  :P

When I put up my books and a request came in, I clicked on the accept and then the PM came up.  I think that is the only time you can then see who is requesting your book. I then PM'd them and let them know some facts, such as I didn't think about putting numbers on the sides of my books, would that affect their postability.   Most of what I have are series and so I put a number on the spine.  All have responded that it was no problem.

 You can then PM them and let them know about the other books and give them the option to take them all, some more or however the two of you work it out.

Unfortunately, I don't think you can find out who the requestor is until you accept the request.  (Correct me if I am wrong here anyone).

I don't know how it affects their place in line on a wish list, if you accept them, and then they don't want a book and so cancel, does that put them at the end of the list?  I am going to have to re-read that section.

I know that when I request a book I check out the other books they have just to see if they have others I might want.  They may have done that and know you have the others and just want that one. 

Good luck in getting "rid" of your books. 

Janette

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 5:44 PM ET
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If it was a WL book, there would be a PM, but if it's just a regular book, you must accept to see who is requesting. Just out of curiosity, are you saying you won't mail to them the single book if they are not interested in the other books in the series off your shelf?

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 5:55 PM ET
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From what I am getting from your post, it is that you are hoping that they will take them all.  I don't know if it is allowed to make it a condition that they take them all or none.   I guess if it is, then you would have to put that on the requestor conditions, and again, I don't know if that is allowed.

All you can do, from what I know is accept the request, PM them and see if they want them all;  if they don't  just hope that another person wants them all, or more than one.

Janette

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 5:58 PM ET
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I found out that I had to accept "Conditions" and then if I could ship in 2 days time or not. I could see the member after I hit those buttons so I PM'ed them just now.


I'm not saying I wont ship just a single book but the others I have in the series are being wishlisted and would like to offer them as a lot if possible. It would be odd to have vols. 2-4, 6, 8 rather than 1-8 if you know what I mean.


In chat they were saying I could offer multiple books for less credits than just a 1 for 1 deal. I just wanted to ask the user if they wanted the multiple books i have in the series and offer them a discount.


BTW what is "WL"?



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Date Posted: 1/28/2010 6:03 PM ET
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if you have multiple WL books that you want to send off in multiples, there is a thread in the Book Bazaar for that type of advertisement.

good luck, welcome to PBS. 

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 6:06 PM ET
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Manga usually goes very quickly.  Someone should snap them up.

ETA - you might also want to post them over at the Manga/graphic novel forum.  Welcome to PBS!



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Date Posted: 1/28/2010 6:27 PM ET
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I would offer at least one of them as a "freebie" as an incentive for the person to scoop them all up.

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 6:31 PM ET
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Welcome Dexter!

WL = Wish List.

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 7:36 PM ET
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Thank you all for your welcome messages. I had a member on GTZ tell me she had luck trading here and figured it would be worth a shot.

I don't see a specific forum for Manga in the list. Is it just a thread or am I overlooking a whole forum dedicated to Manga?

I will definitely take advantage of the Book Bazarr forum as that is exactly what I would like to do.

My intention was just that Kathy, offering the user 7 vols for 5 credits.

Thanks for the explanation to WL :D

I did not get a PM about those who were requesting my books from wishlists. I see 6 now on Wishlist holds and they say 48 hours to respond but I don't think any of those that have sent me offers are those few from wishlists. Is the only way to see those members that have those in wishlists is if they send me an offer and I accept the offer?

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 7:42 PM ET
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Here is the Magna forum.

http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/forum.php?f=77

I think it is too late to run a deal since you already posted the wishlisted books and they are on wishlist holds.

The Help Documents will explain better how this site works.

But this will better explain what happens when you list a wishlisted book.

When you Post a book that another member is wishing for, the book will be offered to the member immediately. Your account will show the notation below:


  • When the Wishing member confirms that she wants the book, you will be notifed by email.
  • If she declines the book (or does not respond within 48 hours), your book will immediately be offered to the next member on the Wish List for that book.
    • You will not get an auto-email notifying you of this cancellation; the offer will just be passed along.
    • If no other members are wishing for that book, it will go onto your bookshelf. (If this happens, you will get an auto-email telling you that this has happened.)



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Date Posted: 1/28/2010 8:02 PM ET
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 I see 6 now on Wishlist holds and they say 48 hours to respond but I don't think any of those that have sent me offers are those few from wishlists.

If you've posted the books, then see that they're on 48 hold, then they were on someone's WL and your books have now been offered to them. If there's more than one person in line, and this person doesn't want the book or it times out, the system will automatically offer it to the next person in line. And that will continue until someone requests the books or there are no more people waiting in line for it. It's an automatic process once you post a WL book. You won't be able to do anything about it until someone accepts the offer.

If so, then they're already spoken for in a manner of speaking. You won't be able to offer them to anyone else unless they hit the end of the WL line and no one has taken them. If people do want them, and they were on their WL, they can't cancel the order or they'll lose their place in line and have to go back to the back and re-wait for their turn to come up. So you can see that people may not be too happy if you suggested you want them to cancel their orders.

I think you're better off just letting these go out as ordered, and not try to cancel a lot of orders to get them into one box. Next time you find you've got a batch that others want, make sure and don't post them to the system until you've made a deal with someone. Then they can put the books on their WL if they're not there already, and you can post all the books straight to the same person. You go to their WL and post the book from there.

You can go to the "Search" tab at the top of this page, then go to "Club Wish List". Once there, if you type in the ISBN the site will tell you if there is anyone waiting in line for it, and how many are in line. Then you'll know not to post it if you're wanting to make a deal, so the system won't take off and run with it.

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 8:14 PM ET
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I think I'm understanding now the difference between wishlists and offers. Thank you for your explanation. The terminology was the only hard thing to understand in the FAQ/Help section. The FAQ is quite overwhealming since the site is huge! :D

Out of the 31 I put up 7 were immediately put on the Wishlist "Holds" and those are specificly offered to that list of people first so even if I wanted to offer the other member that only requested Vol. 1 a deal for all 7 that I have for a discount those that have other vols. in their wishlists would lose out? Am I understnading that right?

I think in the future I will post a lot deal in that Manga thread if I do post a group or series list again. For now the individuals are fine as 3 have already sent offers. I think only something like a series could be an issue when trying to make a trade for them all.

Thank you again. I think my missunderstanding with the Wishlist vs. Offers is done for now.

*Edit* Ok I'm blind...I see the PM link now next to the "Wishlist Holds" unfortunately each individual one is from a different member. Just my luck :D



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Date Posted: 1/28/2010 8:57 PM ET
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Ah that's too bad, Dexter. Well, you now know for the future!

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 9:22 PM ET
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Out of the 31 I put up 7 were immediately put on the Wishlist "Holds" and those are specificly offered to that list of people first so even if I wanted to offer the other member that only requested Vol. 1 a deal for all 7 that I have for a discount those that have other vols. in their wishlists would lose out?

Let me see if I can do this without getting it all wrong. :)

You can't cancel a WL book from your side until it's been accepted. If you cancel the order after it's been accepted, they lose out because they won't be getting a book they've been waiting in line for. But they should back to the front of the line because it wasn't their fault the deal didn't go through.

If you ask them to cancel, they'll lose their place in line. So it's not something you'd ask someone to do without a good reason because then they'd get punished for something not their fault. And some people have been waiting years for some books.

The thing is, even if you did cancel on all those other people (which probably wouldn't look good on your account) there's no real guarentee that anyone in line you offer the other books to will 1) want them all, or 2) have enough credits to do your deal. Not everyone has credits in stock, and not everyone wants to invest in a series they haven't actually read yet. So there's no guarentee that anyone will want the set.

So if the person who orders #1 declines the set, you're still are obliged to send book #1 to them or do you cancel them as well? You can never really tell if anyone will want a deal or not, even if they have one on their WL. And you really don't want to go around canceling books if you don't have to.

I think the best thing to do is send them out as they're ordered, and next time don't post them all until you've had a chance to offer them as a deal on the forums.

Because once a WL book hits the system, it's already up and running to a new owner.



Last Edited on: 1/28/10 9:23 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/28/2010 11:04 PM ET
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Derek-  the way I do it when I have multiple of a series that are WL'ed is go to the forum with your WL'ed books and put a list of your books that you have available and state that orders with multiple books will take priority and IF any are left over you can put it in the FIFO system (first in, first out). I have found when I do this I rarely have to break up the package. People are more than happy to give you a credit each for books in a series to come all at once. Deals are great but you are losing credits when people would be happy to pay them for WL'ed books. Most people use deals on books that already have loads in the system and they want to get rid of them.

Date Posted: 1/28/2010 11:49 PM ET
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Welcome to PBS Dexter!

Date Posted: 1/29/2010 7:02 AM ET
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Also in the Book Bazaar there's a Multiple WL Thread going for peopel to post when they have multiple WL books and want to find someone they mail more than one to at once.  I'll find the link and add it to this post.

For Future Reference: Wishlisted Multiples ONLY.... save on shipping (please C rules!)

You can see if a book is WL by adding them to your TBR before you post them.  Then just post from your TBR pile.  I use the TBR pile to make the links when I use one of hte WL threads.  This is helpful if you are trying to stick to a postage budget as well. 

When I have a book I've posed on WL hold I will usually check that persons WL and see if I have anything in my TBR that I can read and post to them to save on postage. I always ask first incase they are out of credtis. Also I'm a fast reader so I know I can finish that book within the 5 day + 2 day grace period for mailing.

 

I've had some Manga on my shelf for a while and it's not moving.



Last Edited on: 1/29/10 7:06 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/30/2010 8:17 AM ET
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What is the best way to work out a trade for less credits?

I offered 2 members a lot of two series and both have accepted the initial offer I sent them via PM.

The one I think is easy they just request 4 of the 5 and I just unlist the 5th book that they dont request. Or should I just gift back a credit so I have 5 sent books credited to my account?

The other offer is a little more difficult since 2 are being wishlisted by 2 different members. It is 5 vols for 4 credits and 3 of the 5 are not being requested/wishlisted. I know in the future post in the forums for discounted offer but for right now what is the best way to complete this offer to get rid of the remainder of this series? Again should I unlist the 2 books being requested and have them gift me a 4th credit?

Date Posted: 1/30/2010 8:55 AM ET
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You can work out deals however you and the other member want. When I offer a deal, I have had the other member order the number of books to add up to the number of credits agreed on. Then I remove the other books from my bookshelf.

For your second issue, I think the wishlist books you posted already should go to those two members. When you posted the books, you agreed that you could mail them and that your books meet the minimum quality conditions for this site.

I would decline the deal I made with another member as I didn't have all five of the books available.

But if you decide to cancel the wishlist transaction, you will need to wait until that member accepts then cancel. As you can't remove wishlisted books from your shelf after they are posted. 

 

Date Posted: 1/30/2010 9:20 AM ET
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Them cancelling will remove them from the FIFO so I do not want to do that to them. What is wrong with me marking "I CANNOT Mail this Book" option? And any book that I post that is immidiately on a wishlist is automattically agreed to that member?

I think I wil take the advice from here from now on and post in the forums before I post to my Bookshelf. Still trying to get used to the site.

The other member is awaiting impending credits so we agreed when they had 4 I would send them 5 from the series but I went ahead and cancelled until he got the credits posted so he could request all at the same time. I will just remove the 5th book like you said.

I appreciate the responce.

*Edit*

Ok I see what happens when you cancel a trade. Removes the book as available and puts the book as a wishlist option for the canclee. Same thing happens when you mark "I CANNOT Mail this Book"?



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Date Posted: 1/30/2010 5:25 PM ET
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No. that book will be removed from your bookshelf.

Ruth

Date Posted: 1/30/2010 5:43 PM ET
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The problem with posting books and then canceling them, Dexter, is that if you do too many, or too many within a specified time lot (time lot known only to PBS) then you could get reprimanded and have your account suspended for any number of days that they feel like. And, if you have books that need attention while you are on suspension, you could lose that order since you wouldn't be able to get into your account to mark it mailed or accepted or whatever it needed.

It would never happen with just 2 or 3 cancellations, especially if you are new. They would look you up, and probably find this topic and see that you are an active member, not just gone on vacation or ignoring your account (or maybe they wouldn't, I don't know) But sounds logical that if the system raises flags on your account, they will investigate you right away. Tho, I have seen the system do it to someone automatically, without someone from the higher ups on PBS actually doing it.

In the TOU it states that when you post a book, you are stating that you have that book in your possession, and are ready and willing to send it to anyone that requests it. As I said, a few declines won't hurt you, just be careful not to do too many :)  HTH