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Subject: Nook or Kindle?
Date Posted: 10/1/2011 11:19 AM ET
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Hi all. I'm trying to decide between the Nook and a Kindle. Pros and Cons, anyone?

Thanks,

Pam

Date Posted: 10/1/2011 11:23 AM ET
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never used a nook , but i got a kindle and  i love it , i already ordered the new kindle fire

every thing with the kindle works so easy

Date Posted: 10/1/2011 11:49 AM ET
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The first thing to decide is whether you can or want to read on a backlit screen.  E-ink or tablet-lite. Tablet-lite wasn't an option for me, because it kills my eyes.   If it's e-ink, then it doesn't sound like there's not much difference between the KindleTouch and NookTouch, as far as the device itself.  Huge difference between the Touches and the older devides, in either brand.  Touch far improved. I chose Nook mostly because its devices have Android software, and Kindles don't.  New Fire will, but it sounds like that's the only one. But as far as your experience on the devices, differences will probably be minimal.  The other factor is whether you want Amazon or not.  I'm somewhat anit-Amazon, so that was the other reason I leaned toward Nook.

If you want a tablet-lite, then the new Kindle Fire looks to be miles ahead of the NookColor -- only to be expected when the Nook Color is two years old.  That practically ancient in this technology.  I wonder when B&N will update its Color.  It was breakthrough when they did it, but its clearly due for an update now that Amazon has its tablet-lite out.

 



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Date Posted: 10/1/2011 11:53 AM ET
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I have both the Kindle with Special Offers and the Nook Touch. They're both very different, and feel different when you hold them. The Kindle I have has the buttons, where the Nook has the touch screen, so that's hard to compare.

The Kindle has one font, and you can adjust the sizes. The Nook Touch gives you six fonts and seven size of fonts to chose from.

I can load books from wifi or from Calibre for them both. I think the e-ink screen sizes are the same.

Nook allows various formats, Kindle only .azw or .mobi. Kindle has about 4 gig memory, but it's a bit slow with it sometimes, and I've never been able to get it full without it either rebooting or locking up. It does an 'indexing' in the background indexing every word in every book. That can take days and slow the machine down if you load a lot of books at once. Nook just indexes the title, so it's quicker. I have a third party program that will create catagories to sort my own files. (Haven't done it through Amazon yet.) Nook just puts them all in one file. Nook seem to be quicker, and you can change your screen savers to what ever pictures you want. Kindle doesn't let you change your screen savers, AFAIK, even on the machines without the adds.

I like the Nook better, but I'm not comparing the Touch version of both. If I had both it's be a much better comparison.

First, I'd start out with where you want to get your books, then see what devices you have to chose from once you know that. Then go out and see if you can find one to hold.

Many times I've fallen in love with a device on-line, only to find when I hold it in the store I didn't like it.

 

Date Posted: 10/1/2011 12:16 PM ET
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I agree about deciding where you might want to get your books from, Amazon, B&N or elsewhere, deciding what company you like better, Amazon B&N or other, before choosing a reader.

If you are looking for a backlit tablet to use as a reader, Amazon just began selling one, and B&N should have a new one out very soon.

For e-ink ereaders, you can choose between the Nook Touch, as I understand it has some drawbacks, such as part of the storage is reserved for only B&N content, though it does take a SD card. It requires a user to have a credit card number on it, from what I hear. It can read library books, which requires hooking to a computer and going through a program such as Adobe ADE or Overdrive. I am not sure what formats it takes other than epub and pdf. It has wireless but I am not sure if that only works for content from B&N or if you can email personal documents to it.

For Kindle you have a much wider variety to choose from, since they just released the basic model, a Touch model, and still sell the Keyboard models. So just about anything a person could want. They all have wifi and some have 3G also. Users can email personal documents straight to the Kindle. Users can get library books sent straight to the Kindle from the Amazon site. Users never have to connect to the computer if they choose not to. The Kindle accepts many formats:

Content Formats Supported - Kindle (AZW), TXT, PDF, unprotected MOBI, PRC natively; HTML, DOC, DOCX, JPEG, GIF, PNG, BMP through conversion.

What that means is if you have a DOC you want on your kindle, and you email it to your kindle, amazon will convert it for you automatically. It will also convert PDFs if you put Convert in the subject line of the email.

Yes the Kindle indexes every word, that process would only take days if you put hundreds on it at once. It usually doesn't take long.

The Nook Touch may be faster in operation--I don't know the processor specs. From what I understand the new Kindles (the basic and the touch) are faster than the Keyboard, as they do have faster processors.

I find the Kindle very easy to use, but I have never owned a Nook so I can't compare them in that respect.

There is a new Sony, the T-1, on the verge of release, which may just blow the rest of them away.  I don't know the price, though.

If you just want a basic bare bones wifi reader, get the Kindle basic for $79.00.

Date Posted: 10/1/2011 1:06 PM ET
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for me, i went out and found places where i could handle both the Nook and Kindle (Best Buy had both at the time), and the Kindle won.  if you can do that, i think it helps.  there's a bunch more models now though!

If you just want a basic bare bones wifi reader, get the Kindle basic for $79.00.

the only caution i have on that one is that it has half the storage of the Kindle Touch or Kindle Keyboard, which i would think of as a downside.  it does supposedly have faster page turns than the Kindle Keyboard.

ETA: but geez, what a price!  i paid $189 for my K3 w 3G last December, so the new basic model is *way* more affordable, even if you have to start juggling disk space earlier..



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Date Posted: 10/1/2011 1:27 PM ET
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Yes the Kindle indexes every word, that process would only take days if you put hundreds on it at once. It usually doesn't take long.

Just in case anyone recognizes some problem issues with their Kindle, It can get locked up and never finish if you're entering personal content. Some have reported indexing lockup on kindle books as well.

The symptom of a lockup on indexing can be an unexpected reboot, and the machine will start indexing from scratch. Or bad battery life. If it's trying to index a book and gets stuck, it'll still be trying to index that book in the background and use up a lot of power, until that book is removed.

If you have a Kindle with bad battery life, and turning off the wifi doesn't help, there's a way to find out what book it is probably stuck on so you can remove it and try again.

The recommendation is, and from my own experience, if you put your own content on it don't' put more than 50-60 at most, then let it index. Then if it locks up or stays slow it's easier to pinpoint the stuck book.

Unfortunately, it makes filling up 4 gig's a very long process. I love the space, but would love more a hack or firmware upgrade that turns off the indexing completely. For those of us that never use it and have heavy libraries, it would certainly be a great improvement.

 

Date Posted: 10/1/2011 1:35 PM ET
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Cindy, I thought I read recently that a person can turn off indexing. I will see if I can find the reference.

Date Posted: 10/1/2011 1:46 PM ET
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Cindy, I thought I read recently that a person can turn off indexing. I will see if I can find the reference.

It may be on the new versions, which is what a lot of people are waiting to find out when they start arriving.

I think there's a few hacks, but the ones I've found won't work with the Special Offers machine. What ever loop holes there was to do that they plugged up so people can't turn off the adds.

Don't mind the adds. smiley But the indexing is driving me nuts.



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Date Posted: 10/1/2011 5:32 PM ET
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I agree about deciding where you might want to get your books from, Amazon, B&N or elsewhere, deciding what company you like better, Amazon B&N or other, before choosing a reader

Any Kindle content can be converted to epub (readable on Nook) by using Calibre, a free conversion tool. Thus, you can then get ebooks from the libraray, Barnes and Noble, Amazon or any of the (innumerable) free ebook sites.

Date Posted: 10/1/2011 9:03 PM ET
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Cindy, I couldn't find the reference, so I don't think indexing can be turned off easily.

Date Posted: 10/1/2011 9:56 PM ET
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Cindy, I couldn't find the reference, so I don't think indexing can be turned off easily.

Thanks for looking, though! Appreciate the effort!

 

Date Posted: 10/2/2011 1:27 AM ET
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I've used both and I prefer my Nook. It's all about preferance though, so if you can, handle both. 

Date Posted: 10/2/2011 2:39 PM ET
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Colleen, is it the Touch? Maybe you can compare it to the Kuindle Touch, if they get them in a store near you.

Date Posted: 10/2/2011 5:25 PM ET
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I've owned the original Nook, the Nook Color and the Nook Simple Touch. Out of all three, I prefer the NST. I tried the Kindle with the clunky keyboard, so I certainly can't compare the NST to the new Kindle touch. Not that I will care either way because all my ebooks are on my NST, my Decal Girl skin is on my NST and I bought an Oberon cover (all leather, not cheap) for my NST. I will be using the NST until it dies whether I think the new Kindle is better or not. I'm not out to acquire a new ereader at this point.

Date Posted: 10/2/2011 5:52 PM ET
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At the end of the day, the average lifespan for any electronic is three years, whether it's a cell phone, Ipod, laptop, and now ereaders. At the end of three years, your unit will either break or the technology will have moved on and the old one will be obsolete. So, it's hard to make a bad decision and with the price of the things, they are certainly affordably replaced when you're ready for a new one.

I have the Nook with the buttons and the little color screen at the bottom. I've never used it for anything other than reading. I keep trying to use it as a touch screen out of habit after my cell phone and my Ipod. When I shopped last year, I preferred the feel and weight of the Kindle, but at that time I went with the Nook because of the library downloads. Since that time the Kindle now gets library downloads and both have touch screen models and color versions- like i said, the evolution to the next technology- in this case in 6-9 months.

When my ereader dies or the technology becomes completely obsolete, I'll likely choose a Kindle instead becasue they weight so much less. But I also will get an education on this Calibre thing so I can buy my books in all places and use them on any ereader. I don't feel the need to go to an illegal torrent site and download ebooks since the library has so many I want to read that I'm cool with the  legal choices, but I would like the opportunity to move the legally purchased books from B&N to a Kindle or vice versa.

Date Posted: 10/2/2011 6:13 PM ET
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A nice comparison charge here between Kindles and Nooks, one Sony and one Kobo.

Here.

 

Date Posted: 10/2/2011 9:24 PM ET
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Cindy, that's a nice chart. I hope they update it when the new Sony for $149 comes out. I think a lot of people will like that one.

Nancy, I recommend you (everyone) find out how to and liberate your legally purchased books now, and every time you buy one, for your own protection. Then when you need it, you will be able to convert it to whatever format suits your purpose at the time.

Date Posted: 10/2/2011 9:25 PM ET
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this is just an off question because it was mentioned above.  Does using calibre to convert formats violate the warranty on ereaders?  I had read somewhere once that you could be in violation of warranty if you strip DRM from files.  Not sure if using Calibre is the same thing.

Other than that...I saw compare the features and get the feel for it.  I really think it's 6 of one, half a dozen of another.  I've got the Nook First Edition and I am satisfied with it.  e-ink is a big issue for me since I can't read on backlit screens.  Also, I liked that you can replace the battery on the Nook (maybe the newer Amazon ereaders have changed on this)  There are features I wish it did have, but I don't think any ereader does.  I read multiple books at a time.  I'd like to have them all ready to open under the Read Now button and not have to go to the library to find them.

So, compare features and see what is most important to you.

Date Posted: 10/3/2011 8:56 AM ET
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Melody, no, removing the DRM is not illegal, nor does it void the warranty on the ereader.

No the batteries are not user-replaceable on any but the first Kindle.

I'm not sure how the Nook organizes books....can you set up folders or shelves or collections? If so make one called Reading Now or Current books or whatever you want to call it, and put all the ones you are reading in there.

Date Posted: 10/3/2011 10:14 AM ET
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I'm not sure how the Nook organizes books....can you set up folders or shelves or collections?

On the Nook Touch, not that I've found.

On the Home page, with the the book ads, it does have the last book you were in and the page number you were on. I've found though that when you click on it I need to remember that number and then go to it. It tends to forget my place in the book once opening it and goes to the first page.

A plus is that it indexs on titles, so I can do a search for the book name and it'll pull up fast. But it really does need some sort of way to sort the book by collections.

Melody, no, removing the DRM is not illegal, nor does it void the warranty on the ereader.

This is being argued a lot, but no real definate answer. Most ebooks have disclaimers in with the copyright that books are not to be form-shifted in any way, including removing DRM. They refuse permission to do so.

Most people do it anyway, because as long as you don't share who would find out? And they argue that they're protecting their purchase. But it's not something that's ever been legally tested and arguments go both ways.

BTW, most (if not all) don't consider that you've actually 'purchased' an ebook. You've just 'leased' it. So that they actually say they have to control all uses and forms of their product after purchase.

On the readers, it may depend on the fine print. The Nook had a lot of agreements I had to agree to before it would register to the web site. Like most people, I didn't read them.devil

 



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Date Posted: 10/3/2011 10:16 AM ET
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kindle has 4 sorts.

most recent first, title, author, collections

I usually have it on collections and the collections are sorted by the last one I opened.  So not exactly the same thing but the most recent first thing would have your currently reading at the top.

the kobo that I have has a currently reading section vs a books section.  I actually find it a little confusing, but maybe cause I am used to the kindle way.

I got kindle because nook wasn't out at the time and I like amazon & the refurb price came down enough for me on the k1.  the kindles are very easy to use. I have never tried the nook. I like the 3g delivery (too bad the library books wont deliver 3g) & I was even able to use the kindle to check stuff on the web while in london, it was slow, but did get me what I was looking for. (i dont have a smartphone or other mobile internet device)

I do think once you choose one it is easier to stick with it.  DRM stripping and calibre are just another step I dont need to take (& opinions differ on whether it is illegal, but very low likelyhood of individuals being sued, I would think).  I never had trouble with indexing and I only saw people complaining about it on bb when they got the new kindle and tried to load all of thier books.  Haven't seen complaints about it since on the bb. 

& my aunt got one.  she hates the computer her kids got for her, but loves her kindle and thinks it is very easy to use  (kindle doesnt requiire a computer to use cause of the 3g)

Date Posted: 10/3/2011 11:29 AM ET
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Cant beat Amazon Customer Service tho!  Son Broke my Kindlecrying on Sunday early am....  I called Amazon Sunday afternoon....Today they shipped a NEWlaugh replacement!!!  Not sure How the B&N Customer Service is these days BUT when I was last on the Forums people were complaining Long wait times on phone & WEEKS to get problems resolved! 

Date Posted: 10/3/2011 1:57 PM ET
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As afr as I kow you still CANNOT borrow books from the library with a KINDLE.Not sure about the nook.I have a sony prs600(touch) and love it.Juts got one for my son off ebay for less than $100.

Stacy

Date Posted: 10/3/2011 2:05 PM ET
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As afr as I kow you still CANNOT borrow books from the library with a KINDLE.

I haven't tried it myself, but they started that program about a week or so ago.

Instructions in the eBook Reader Forum, Here.

 

 

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