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Subject: OK - just now in checking there were 25 people...
Date Posted: 12/18/2016 4:36 PM ET
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selling credits. Is anyone really selling any of those credits now that they are $3.00 each? Just curious, as it seems the same people are selling credits every day, which leads me to believe that credits aren't selling rapidly.

Date Posted: 12/18/2016 7:41 PM ET
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Pat, 
Yes, we are....selling...and PBS members are....buying.
I sold 50 in August, 50 in September, 50 in October, sold none in November (but I did give away 2 credits), and have sold none so far in December...I still have extra credits for sell in the 3 figures.

All the funds went into my Amazon account and I was able to get a few hard to find Manga's (books) and a few DVD's I always wanted but never came up on the SwapaDVD site. 

Interested in buying a few?
I'd like to make you a deal but seems like the best I could do is offer them at $3/each.

Still interested? 
I also do book deals (see my signature line below - or my profile page)...I've done book deals of up to 100 books for 16 book credits. 



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Date Posted: 12/18/2016 8:35 PM ET
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Danny - was just curious, and glad you're selling credits. I don't need any as I have more than I can possibly use any time soon. Take care. Pat

Date Posted: 12/18/2016 8:40 PM ET
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I'm selling them, slowly but surely. I have so many extra credits, it's the only thing I can do with them after I request all the books I can handle, both from other people's bookshelves and that get posted to my wishlist. I figure it's better to sell them, because at least they're going to people who need them and will use them right now, which leads to more books being requested in the system (and more revenue for the site, keeping it healthy).



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Date Posted: 12/19/2016 9:34 AM ET
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I actually was just thinking of making a post about this, asking how others are doing with selling their credits. 

 

I haven't been able to sell as many as Danny in August, September & October but through November and December I have sold 0. So I don't know if no ones interested in buying credits anymore, or the few people that were buying are just off doing stuff for the holidays. 

 

But it's disappointing. I also have far more books going out, then coming in and need to balance the costs I spend on shipping here. It is not even for me at all, if I can't dump some of these credits and recoup costs. 

 

And the really aggrivating part, is that a lot of the same people that complained about the low ball prices that people were selling credits at before, that lead to us being forced to sell them at a price people aren't buying at, are now posting and sending complaints to the site about wanting us swept under the rug and moved to a seperate corner to make it more convienent for them. Even though this is a BAZAAR, which mean a variety of things, not just filtered to a single type. 

 

Add that to the fact that even if you did remove the credit deals, there aren't enough book deals to fill a page, and the oldest post on the bottom of page one is from 12/11, over a WEEK old. I'd say that completely debunks their assertion that the credit deals are pushing out the book deals and making them hard to find, when you can find over a weeks worth of posting on page 1. 



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Date Posted: 12/19/2016 11:16 AM ET
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I could use credits but was only aboule to afford 10.00 worth and I didn't think anyone would sell me 3 credits. I just stopped doing what I used to do. I sometimes needed a credit to play the games and now I pretty much have just stopped playing. 

Date Posted: 12/19/2016 5:03 PM ET
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Michele,

Almost everybody would sell you 3 credits.  Feel free to contact me.

Mary Anne

Gloria M. (glo) - ,
Date Posted: 12/19/2016 8:24 PM ET
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Well said hingram77

Date Posted: 12/20/2016 2:53 PM ET
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Makes me sad... I used to buy huge lots, 50 at a time, to get a better deal. Now that there's no deal I don't buy any. I can't decide if I should just use up the rest and leave or wait and see if things get better again.

Gloria M. (glo) - ,
Date Posted: 12/20/2016 6:42 PM ET
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Speaking for myself: to all of you complaining about all the credits for sell posts in the bazaar and how few book deals are being offered, here is why. I used to do deals fairly often. I also sold credits for $2 because I did deals. Now I have to sell them for $3 so I have way to many credits. Which is why I haven't been doing deals. So if we hadn't been made to raise our price for credits there would be more of us offering book deals.

Also we have as much right to post in the bazaar as every other member does. I'm tired of reading posts that sound like we are second class citizens,  or that we are just pests. It wasn't our idea to raise the cost.

Also I have given credits to members for free . I have also donated quite a few back to PBS 



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Date Posted: 12/20/2016 7:45 PM ET
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I don't think credit sellers are second-class citizens, and I've sold my share of credits.

I just think that it might be easier for all concerned if there were a separate forum for selling credits, sort of like when they took the political posts out of CMT and made it a separate forum. Those weren't second-class citizens, it's just that those who weren't interested in politics didn't have to wade through the political posts and those who were didn't have to wade through posts they weren't interested in to read the political posts.

I would think it would be easier to pick-and-choose who to buy credits from if all the credit sale posts were together instead of posted throughout the Book Bazaar forum where you have to wade through book deals, etc., to find a person you might be interested in buying credits from.

Date Posted: 12/21/2016 6:27 AM ET
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(Edited a bunch - just can't spell for beans)

 

The Book Bazaar - as it now stands - 
I have two (2) advertisements posted, one for credits to sell and one for book deals available from my shelves.
I let both run until either is pushed off of page 1 and onto page 2, I then 'bump' to get either back onto page 1 at the top and allow it to repeat itself. This seems to take 7 to 9 days to run a cycle.

If the Credits For Sale ads were moved to another seperate catagory (Credit Bazaar vice Book Bazaar?) then the Deals For Books (on the Book Bazaar) would languish possibly for months on page 1. Several years ago I would post Book Deals and they would would be pushed off of page 1 within a day, and folks looking for deals would actually browse up yo 3 pages of listings to find what they might be interested in (I was one who would browse up to 3 pages of deals). 

I have to believe that most of this lack of activity is due to the limitation that only Standard and Limited members can post in the various Discussion Forums, leaving a  vast majority unable to participate in offering deals or taking advantage of deals - whether selling/buying credits or taking/offering book deals. Prior to this (several years ago) anyone could post anything they wanted and anyone could contact anyone else concerning possible deals. In the interest of site security members who are neither Standard or Limited members are unable to participate - hence the lack of prior activity. This is our loss of which I can offer no solution.   

I also believe that many of the Standard and Limited members just never make it to the Bazaar - many of these folks 'hang around' in the Random Act of Kindness' & Games & similar Forums where they have made friends within groups and stick to these groups for their own deals - to include book deals and credit deals. It's where these members are comfortable at, and they get to interact with like minded members they have learned to trust. Which is a good thing but doesn't help the Bazaar in terms of activity.

Thoughts?
Suggestions? 

Danny N  (Alameda) -  Havelock NC 

 



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Date Posted: 12/21/2016 11:44 PM ET
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So.... do I understand this rightly?

Peeps complained that the $2 credit wasn't competitive and the selling price was too low. So TPTB made a mandatory selling price of $3 per credit.

Peeps are finding it hard to sell credits at $3 because fewer peeps want to pay $3 per credit.

So the market is flooded with peeps trying to sell credits at $3. 

The Bazaar is now filled with peeps trying to sell credits and the peeps looking for book deals are pissed.
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IMHO the problem started when members could transfer credits from the dvd site and earn an extra book credit for doing so. That decision helped to flood the market. Has that been addressed or is it still doable?

I occasionally sold credits at the $2 rate. I was at least recouping something of what it really costs to be a member here. When the mandatory $3 price was initiated, I gave up. I cut the number of books on my bookshelf, don't list as many WL books now and frequently put my shelf on hold when I have more credits than I'm comfortable with. I'm not contributing to PBS the way I once was. I'm not helping to keep it viable.

Again, IMHO - TPTB have made very poor business decisions in the last few years. Fly by your seat decisions - not long term financial decisions.

And what Danny said - another very good point to consider:

I have to believe that most of this lack of activity is due to the limitation that only Standard and Limited members can post in the various Discussion Forums, leaving a  vast majority unable to participate in offering deals or taking advantage of deals - whether selling/buying credits or taking/offering book deals. Prior to this (several years ago) anyone could post anything they wanted and anyone could contact anyone else concerning possible deals. In the interest of site security members who are neither Standard or Limited members are unable to participate - hence the lack of prior activity. This is our loss of which I can offer no solution.

 

Gloria M. (glo) - ,
Date Posted: 12/22/2016 7:50 AM ET
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I never complained about selling credits for $2. I sold them at that price because I did deals and could make my postage back at that price. I think we should be allowed to sell our credits at whatever price we are comfortable with. I have at least 20 books that are on members wishlist but have not posted . So I don't see how raising the price of credits has helped the club.

Date Posted: 12/23/2016 3:23 PM ET
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So.... do I understand this rightly?

Peeps complained that the $2 credit wasn't competitive and the selling price was too low. So TPTB made a mandatory selling price of $3 per credit.

Peeps are finding it hard to sell credits at $3 because fewer peeps want to pay $3 per credit.

So the market is flooded with peeps trying to sell credits at $3. 

The Bazaar is now filled with peeps trying to sell credits and the peeps looking for book deals are pissed.

I don't think this is correct. I don't see that many more sellers than there used to be. There is just as much complaining as there was in the past. Before if was people who could not sell their credits for what it cost them if they use the system the way it is designed (they couldn't just post books and send them singely) and there has ALWAYS been people complaining about the credit sales threads being in the bazaar. Now we have the people complaining that we can't get them as cheap as they used to and still have the people complaining about the credit sales threads.

I think PayPal sellers are doing just find with their sales. It is slower, but they are selling. The people asking the GCs for Amazon seem to be the ones that are having a tougher time selling.

My personal opinion. They won't separate out credit sales. There is no need. There is always a weeks worth of posts on the first page with both deals and credits sales here so the forum isn't even close enough to active to need separate forums.

As for the price, I think they would go to not allowing sales on the site at all before they go back to letting the price drop back down so low.  The low price hurt the site's intended function (posting and swapping thru the system) and that is what they were trying to fix. The change in price wasn't necessarily to get the $3 for credit sellers, it was to make it more financially even to post a book to get a credit instead of just buying cheap ones in the Bazaar.

Date Posted: 12/27/2016 7:51 AM ET
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Date Posted: 12/27/2016 4:24 PM ET
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Melanie D said based on her reading the topic that it appears that:  "Peeps are finding it hard to sell credits at $3 because fewer peeps want to pay $3 per credit."

 

The people who don't want to pay $3 per credit can certainly just mail out a book to somebody, right?  

I think they can do that for $2.61

That would make a credit only $2.61 for them.

That would only represent about a 61-cent difference from the $2.00 people were selling credits for previously?

 

Heck, any book worth a darn, even at my thrift store, costs $3.00.   There are some ratty ones that nobody wants for 50-cents.

 

Maybe I live in a different economy, but as a senior living on very little extra, and I mean slim income, I don't find $3.00 for a book to be *expensive*,........ does anybody feel it is?   To me, that is a SUPER BARGAIN!

 



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Date Posted: 12/27/2016 8:14 PM ET
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It is not important to me whether or not The Team eliminates credit sales. I don't buy or sell here anymore. I either have credits from swapping books or I don't have credits.  I just get tired of seeing all the sales ads. Its like not being able to look at the scenery because of all the billboards.  As long as I'm fantasizing,  I have a golden vision of PBS lowering their price for a credit if there is zero competition from members. Finally, I think transferring credits between Swapadvd and Swapacd should be eliminated. 

Date Posted: 12/27/2016 9:29 PM ET
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The exchange rate for transferring credits has been at an even rate for over 2 yrs.  They made the change in May 2014.  

I love being able to transfer credits.  I tend to have more wl items to trade for credits on one site, with few to none to trade on the sister sites.  



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Date Posted: 12/28/2016 11:15 PM ET
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Melanie D said based on her reading the topic that it appears that:  "Peeps are finding it hard to sell credits at $3 because fewer peeps want to pay $3 per credit."

Ummm. No Melanie D did not say that. She quoted someone else saying that. Melanie D does not agree with that statement at all.

Date Posted: 12/28/2016 11:24 PM ET
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Just curious.....could PBS credits be sold on eBay?   I doubt PBS could enforce a 3.00 minimum there.  Of course, there'd have to be a bazaar link to eBay and I suppose they'd take that down. 

What people do outside of PBS is their business I would think. Trying to put links to outside sales sites on PBS would of course be removed as they always have been. Any posts in the Bazaar need to follow the site rules, which means the $3 minimum and no links to commercial sites.