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Subject: Obviously some folks can't read even though this is a book swap!
Date Posted: 9/12/2008 6:16 PM ET
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Had a book I had requested...and yes I have RC's....had one declined today and the sender said, "Can't meet Requestor Conditions, I have no one that smokes in my household but, I bought this book at a book sale and I don't know if the previous owner smoked!"  First I was frustrated and then I found it sort of funny...obviously the person can't comprehend what she read...that is IF she read it...

 

Note the following is MY RC!!!!

Please due to allergies to smoke (not pets) I cannot receive books that are currently in a smoking home (you don't have to know the history...if no one smokes in your house then yes, I want the book).  Even if you just bought the book at a Garage Sale, Thrift Store, FleaMarket...if there isn't someone in your house that smokes, YES I want the book.

The following Do Not count as a  "smoking home":   (1) 'wood-burning' stove;  (2) smoking postal carrier. Please No Mass Market Paperbacks - these are difficult to hold due to arthritis and the smaller print size is more tiring to my eyes.

If you want to PM me my alias is Princess65 (nope don't think I'm royalty, just what my boyfriend calls me so makes it an easy one to remember), I'd enjoy answering questions if you have them.

Thanks

 

Side note on MMPB:  MMPB are usually 6-7" tall and about 4" wide (the size of a Harliquen Romance) while the the Trade size are usually (not always) about the size of what your typical Hardback book would be.

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 6:20 PM ET
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Well, you really can't get much clearer than that, can you??

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 6:44 PM ET
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Wow. Makes you wonder....

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 6:45 PM ET
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I think of myself as a fairly intelligent person and I find your RC to be very confusing. 

In part of your post you say it can't come from a smoking home, but then you go on to say that it is ok if you bought the book at a sale and don't know the history. (even though it may have originally come from a smoking home- huh??)

And, then you request no MassMarketing paperbacks because they are too hard to hold.  Not everyone knows what you mean by MassMarketing paperbacks.  Is your side-note on your RC or is that a side-note for this forum?  There are several new swappers here and folks that only swap a small amount of times. 

If I saw your RC on a book request I would cancel the "swap" to.  I don't think I could say for certain what your exact requirement are, you have too many restrictions on your book requests.  Why don't you just say that you don't want something from a smoking home?  Why so many details?



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Date Posted: 9/12/2008 6:48 PM ET
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I don't think it was a can't read, but a I don't want to read through all that and I ain't taking the chance.

Can't win on RCs sometimes, too little clarification or too much to read.

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 6:49 PM ET
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I think your conditions are perfectly clear.

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 6:52 PM ET
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Well while reading them here, they seem pretty clear to me. But if I see a novel come up on RCS I hit decline. 

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 7:28 PM ET
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I think they're very clear.  The only suggestion I have would be to perhaps put the sentence about no MMPs on a separate line so that it stands out better.  But I understand perfectly what your restrictions are in terms of smoking.

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 7:32 PM ET
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If you put in an ISBN that comes up a 'mass market paperback" and I think most paperbacks are mass market, then even with your RC you're asking for a mass market book aren't you?  Therefore, when you enter an ISBN do you check to see if the description shows it to be a MMPB?  Just asking because if I got that RC I'd automatically decline as I wouldn't want to take the chance.  Pat

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 7:52 PM ET
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I understand the smoking but I would decline on the mass market paperback.  The reason being is I'm not sure what exactly is a mass market paperback. 

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 7:52 PM ET
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Yeah Laurie I hadn't noticed it was on the same line until I pasted it into the OP...have fixed that....

I rarely get turned down now and the only other two that have turned me down have been "sorry I smoke!" 

Wendy:  "In part of your post you say it can't come from a smoking home, but then you go on to say that it is ok if you bought the book at a sale and don't know the history."  The reason for this Wendy is that obviously a person knows if someone in their household smokes BUT, if they have purchased the book used they are not going to know if that person smoked or not....the problem is books that are currently in a smoking home...the longer a book is away from that smoking environment the more it airs out and the less the problem.  Some people have said here, have PM'd me and asked about books from sales or prior to clarifying have declined because they didn't know the history.....so, I spelled it out.

"Why don't you just say that you don't want something from a smoking home?  Why so many details?"  Wendy if you JUST say not from a smoking home, people have declined for a smoky fireplace, or a smoking postal carrier or because they don't know the history of the book....AND they have declined because if you are allergic to cig. smoke then you must be allergic to dogs (haven't figured that one out but they have).

Wendy since you can't figure it out, I don't want...1)books from a smoking home; 2) mass market paperbacks

Yes Wendy, that Side Note on MMPB is on my RC for those not informed of what one is...

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 7:56 PM ET
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Seriously.  Your conditions are perfect.  There is not one thing that confuses me, and I love to pick apart RCs to help people improve them. 

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 8:04 PM ET
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Pat said, "If you put in an ISBN that comes up a 'mass market paperback" and I think most paperbacks are mass market, then even with your RC you're asking for a mass market book aren't you?  Therefore, when you enter an ISBN do you check to see if the description shows it to be a MMPB? " 

Pat...if a book says it is a MMPB I do not request it...and NO, most paperbacks are not MMPB in the genre that I read, the majority are Trade.  But, soley relying on an ISBN to differentiate between them is not reliable as a ISBN can be reused...remember the issues between Hardback and Paperback? 

 

Suzanne said, "The reason being is I'm not sure what exactly is a mass market paperback."

Suzanne...do you know the size of a Harlequin Romance?  Those are MMPB....

 

Thanks Lisa...the RC has evolved through comments and help from fellow PBSers...



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Date Posted: 9/12/2008 8:11 PM ET
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Christy,

Thanks for clarifying for me. 

Personally, I still think it is confusing - and too long.  Yes, I did read your RC, but hey lets face it, people are too busy today to read (funny - saying this on a book swapping site heheheh!) You shouldn't be angry if someone doesn't understand your requirements and cancel the swap. 

Remember - there are many new people on this site that are not familiar with all the workings of PBS

 

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 9:22 PM ET
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Wendy...I'm not angry at the person...I was frustrated at first because it was a book I really wanted and then when I got to thinking about it I found it funny because obviously she had difficulty reading "not currently in a smoking home"....On books declined because of my RC's for actual smokers I have no issue at all and I'm thankful they are honest...for one's like this one I figure I probably didn't want the book from them anyway...another will eventually come along.

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 9:56 PM ET
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Actually, I think she probably CAN read.  She may have thought it was too picky and didn't want to deal with it and didn't want to lie, so she told the truth and left it at that.  Just because you have an RC, clear or not, everybody has the right (just as you do) to turn down a transaction.  I'm just sayin'...

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 11:13 PM ET
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I think its clear....dont see the need for the MMPB part, you should know that before requesting the book.

On a side note, I love your Icon!

Date Posted: 9/12/2008 11:29 PM ET
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I would put the MMP earlier.  I'd have glanced at the beginning said "Nope, no smokers here" and accepted the request, since the rest seemed to just be details on that condition.

List the short condition first, then the long one.

Date Posted: 9/13/2008 12:35 AM ET
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Thanks Christy.  The majority of my books are mass market paperbacks.  I have a few that I purchased that were bigger but not many. 

Hope you get your book!

Date Posted: 9/13/2008 1:05 AM ET
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For me, if someone has that long of an RC, I would decline the request.  I would be afraid that somehow I missed one of their requirements and would in turn, be marked RWAP.  It's not worth the hassle.

As far as the MMP thing, I honestly don't know what one is and that alone would cause me to decline the request.

Date Posted: 9/13/2008 6:02 AM ET
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Your conditions make sense to me. I don't see how somebody could misunderstand them.

Maybe you should put the explanation of what a MMPB is in the same place where you ask not to receive them, since people seem to keep saying that they would turn down your requests because they don't know what that part means.

Date Posted: 9/13/2008 7:10 AM ET
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I think it is clear, but also think it could be shortened up and simplified. Something like:

1) No books currently in a home where someone smokes tobacco products (book's history not an issue--applies to current home only)

2) No mass market paperbacks

If questions, PM _________ before accepting. Thanks!

Cheryl

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Date Posted: 9/13/2008 8:50 AM ET
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I think I'd accept a request from you, but plenty of people have gotten burned by RC's, and so decline if they don't know  a book's history even though they understand your RC.

I'm tempted to tell you to rephrase it to, "basically, if you can't smell smoke from the book, it's fine," but people who smoke probably can't smell smokiness in a book, so forget I said that. Probably Cheryl has the best solution.

And you're better off losing some good books than getting ones you can't use.

Date Posted: 9/13/2008 9:32 AM ET
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Well, I can't make it as short as Cheryl suggested but, I tried to simplify it and keep all the points I need in there...

No Rick I can't go with the smell RC because even I turn down "smell" ones...they are too subjective.

Troy...you can't "know for sure" a book is or isn't a MMPB when you order it...if the listing just says Paperback.  Many ISBN's are reused and the same ISBN will be on a Trade paperback as on a MMPB.  If a book is listed as a MMPB I don't order.

Here is the amended RC...

Thanks for considering sending me your book...I have only 2 requests...

1.     Please No Mass Market Paperbacks - these are difficult to hold due to arthritis and the smaller print size is more tiring to my eyes.  (MMPB are the size of a Harliquen Romance)

2.     Please No Books that are Currently in a Smoking Home due to allergies to smoke (not pets).   Please You don't have to know the history, even if you just bought the book at a Garage Sale, Thrift Store, FleaMarket...if no one smokes in your house then yes, I want the book.  The following Do Not count as a  "smoking home":   (1) 'wood-burning' stove;  (2) smoking postal carrier.


If you want to PM me my alias is Princess65 (nope don't think I'm royalty, just what my boyfriend calls me so makes it an easy one to remember), I'd enjoy answering questions if you have them.  Just in case you are curious I have Never marked a book RWAP - requestor conditions!

Thanks



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