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Subject: Can I offer another credit for ....?
Date Posted: 5/1/2009 7:27 PM ET
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I was just offered and accepted a W/L book.  Now I know its gonna to be media mail, and I would like it in time for Mothers Day.  So can I offer another credit to them for them to send it First Class mail ?   I cant find anything in Help, except you cant offer more credits to get a W/L , like line jumping.   I'm not actually offering more credits for the book, just faster mailing method.

 

TIA

Date Posted: 5/1/2009 7:57 PM ET
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I don't think that's allowed.  If it's not a large book they might be able to send it 1st class with out much extra cost. So you could ask them.  I wouldn't hold my breath for it getting to you in time even with 1st class.

ETA:  I don't think you'd get in any real trouble for offering the credit to send it faster.  But I don't know.



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Date Posted: 5/1/2009 7:59 PM ET
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Thank You..appreciate it.  I guess I can wait too, her B-day is in June.

Date Posted: 5/1/2009 8:22 PM ET
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I would ask them to do it and offer to cover it with another credit if the cost turns out to be a lot more than media mail. Most people would probably just do it to be nice, but if it does increase the cost a lot, giving another credit would be fair. I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like you're bribing them for the book.

Date Posted: 5/1/2009 8:33 PM ET
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You cannot offer extra credits for someone to post a book to you, but once its been posted to you, I don't see why you couldn't offer a credit for them to send it faster.

eta: the key is that the credit offer cannot preceed the request of the book, the order should be in place so that the extra credit is not the incentive for someone to give you the book.



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Date Posted: 5/1/2009 8:55 PM ET
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I agree with Melanie D. 100%.

Date Posted: 5/1/2009 10:07 PM ET
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I don't think it's a problem. If the sender doesn't want to do it they'll just say no. I doubt they would report it. So no one would know! I'd do it if someone asked and offered the credit to pay for it. :)

Date Posted: 5/1/2009 11:34 PM ET
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how heavy is the book? i think there is a weight limit on 1st class- but i might be wrong

i needed a book really fast one time and i offered several extra credits to cover priority- they accepted and the book was here in 2 days!

but i do not think there is anything wrong with offering additional credits for additional service

just check the usps weights before you do so you will know if the book can be mailed 1st class!

good luck

 

Date Posted: 5/2/2009 3:29 AM ET
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I've seen posts where other members have transferred a credit to upgrade shipping, and there was no problem nor other members posting specific rules to prove it wrong.   The most recent post I remember involved upgraded shipping but the book still arrived after the hoped for date :-( 

According to my information, anything over 13 oz. will go priority instead of first class...and it's kinda pricy.



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Date Posted: 5/2/2009 1:16 PM ET
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If you can fit a book in a Priority flat rate envelope, that is 4.95 which 2 credits would certainly cover that cost.

Date Posted: 5/2/2009 5:59 PM ET
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If the book is 7 oz or under, it's actually cheaper to mail first class :-) 

Date Posted: 5/2/2009 6:19 PM ET
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It would seem to be against published rules-

 

http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/search.php?terms=paying+more+1+credit

 

 

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Can I offer/ask more credits (more than PBS 'price') for a book?

No.

  • A bound book "costs" 1 credit at PBS (no exceptions)

  • An audiobook "costs" 2 credits at PBS 

    • some "children's-length" audiocassette items cost 1 credit each

Offering to "pay" (or asking a requestor to "pay"--see below) more than "PBS price" for a book is not permitted. 

Why?

  • If the book is Wishlisted, offering more than the PBS "price" for the book may allow members to leapfrog over others in the Wish List for the book. This obviously is not fair.

  • Even if the book is not Wish Listed, a "free market" system could lead to "bidding" for a book, and auctions are NOT permitted on PBS.
  • One reason is that auctions are subject to state laws, and as PBS members belong to various states, this could be illegal.
  • The other reason is that we want all members to have a fair chance to get books on PBS.  Pitting those who have lots of credits to spare against those who don't have a lot of credits at the time goes against the very spirit of PBS--the fair sharing of books. Everybody equal.

Asking for more than "PBS price" for a book is considered bookselling

  • Bookselling is not permitted at PBS

  • If you feel that your book is too valuable (or too costly to ship) to be swapped for "PBS price", you should not Post it here.
  • If this is a matter of postage cost (your book is heavy), remember that you can also request a "heavy" book with the credit you get for sending yours--so it all evens out.

 

Date Posted: 5/2/2009 6:24 PM ET
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Hmmmm, I don't think the "PBS Price" rules apply here.  It's not fot the book.  It's for expedited shipping.

Date Posted: 5/2/2009 6:29 PM ET
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See the last paragraphs.  Shipping cost is not a consideration for sending more than one credit.  It still makes it bookselling.



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Date Posted: 5/2/2009 6:41 PM ET
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No it's not book selling.  That would be if the seller is asking for more than one credit.  This topic is not about the books.  It's the shipping.

ETA the following:  Book selling would be something done by the seller. 



Last Edited on: 5/2/09 7:10 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/2/2009 7:40 PM ET
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I agree with Marilyn.    I'm reading it to mean that as the sender, you cannot ask for more credits because it is a heavy book and you think it will cost more to send it out.

The OP wants to "Offer" to cover the cost of a faster shipping method.   

Date Posted: 5/2/2009 8:10 PM ET
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Why shouldn't that be allowed ? You're not leapfrogging anyone because you're getting the book anyway. I don't see anything wrong with asking the sender and offer aditional credits for FC shipping. as a sender I wouldn't have ay problem with that.

Date Posted: 5/3/2009 3:21 PM ET
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Why shouldn't that be allowed ?

 

I don't know why, but from the start of the page, the Help Center seems to be equating offering with asking.  See the first line -

 

"Can I offer/ask more credits (more than PBS 'price') for a book? No."

 

If you really want to do it, I'd ask TPTB for a direct answer.  I would be surprised that the answer would be to go ahead, since credits are only supposed to be for books.

 

Date Posted: 5/3/2009 6:29 PM ET
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This has been brought up before, and if I remember correctly, it was ok.  You've already been offered the book - there's no reason at all you can't ask for certain shipping - if you want to buddy a credit to cover the additional cost, and the sender is ok with it, it's fine.

Date Posted: 5/4/2009 12:25 AM ET
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Another simple option would be to use PayPal to send the amount of necessary postage to the sender. She's paying for upgraded shipping costs; this would remove the shipping cost transaction from the realm of PBS, in my mind.

Date Posted: 5/4/2009 5:42 AM ET
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I would be surprised that the answer would be to go ahead, since credits are only supposed to be for books.


Not always....If a book I send is marked RWAP and I want it returned to me, I have to buddy the member a credit to cover the return postage. A credit for postage is allowed under those circumstances. I don't see where using one to upgrade delivery would be objectionable as long as it was suggested by the receiver and not the sender.

Date Posted: 5/4/2009 8:51 AM ET
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I am quite certain that I have seen TPTB post on this before and said it was fine to offer additional credits for extra service as long as it was done after the book was offered/ordered. I will have to look around today and see if I can find that post.

Date Posted: 5/4/2009 12:26 PM ET
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This was brought up before but the question was about for Priority Mail.  I cannot find the post where it was discussed but the end concensus was yes you can offer an extra credit to cover an UPGRADE in postage.  (from media to priority)  I would think this would apply to first class as well since it is an upgrade from media.

 

Date Posted: 5/4/2009 12:43 PM ET
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PBS already allows credit transfers for shipping.  Example would be if you receive an unpostable book.  I believe PBS says the original sender can buddy a credit to receiver to cover the cost of return postage, although I believe it is optional and not required for the receiver to do so.

Perhaps ask your tour guide?

Date Posted: 5/5/2009 12:48 AM ET
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Just to stick my 2 cents in...

A single credit would normally be enough to cover the difference in cost between MM and Priority flat rate.  Average MM price is under $3.00, a credit is worth $3.45, together that's $6.45 (you add them because the basic postage cost is covered by the sender anyway).  Priority flat rate (small box) is $4.85, so the sender is amply covered for the extra cost by just one extra credit.