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Subject: Ok to include bookmark?
Date Posted: 1/14/2009 10:07 PM ET
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 I was just wondering if it is ok to include a bookmark when we send books requested from our bookshelf?

Date Posted: 1/14/2009 10:58 PM ET
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It is unless you use media mail to mail it with. You can't put anything in there but the invoice if you use media mail unfortunately.

Date Posted: 1/14/2009 11:53 PM ET
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Depends on the post office it goes through. Items incidental and closely related to the contents are allowed under media mail so a book mark should be acceptable. The problem is that some POs are really nit-picky and don't allow anything, even the PBS slip. I would usually error on the side of caution and not stick anything in there, but a single bookmark should be allowed and usually makes it through fine. Books marks that are blantant advertising would never be acceptable.



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Date Posted: 1/15/2009 2:09 AM ET
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Thank you! I just have this crafting addiction and love to make things. LOL I used to on bookcrossing with no worry but this is a bit different.

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 3:29 AM ET
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Welcome to PBS Kim!

You may want to get a feel for how your local post office handles Media Mail.  USPS reserves the right to check Media Mail packages for contraband (mail not considered media). Personally I've mailed hundreds of books and never had one checked or questioned (beyond the standard liquid, flamable, perishable?), but I've seen a few posts from PBS members who say their book packages will not be accepted at their local post office unless they bring them in unsealed and allow a postal clerk to check the contents (one even wanted to supervise the wrapping). . .get-a-lifesville IMO.  In those instances, the next post office over is probably not so anal.

As long as the bookmark isn't an advertisement, it shouldn't be a problem.  I've received several books with the corresponding bookmark inside, but as of yet no charming hand made ones! 

 

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 8:46 AM ET
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Well on the Valentine's day swap I'm running I put in the swap requirements that a love themed/Vday themed bookmark to be sent with the books.  I put in there that this means 1st class. But a couple of my players said bookmarks were ok.  I guess because you are sending a book. But letters, business cards, advertisements aren't ok. 

But then post office's seem to make up their own rules.  I have never had a book arrive to me after being inspected. I think you are probably save sending them-just dont' mention that their in there when you mail them out.

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 9:28 AM ET
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unless they are big or stick out or make the package weird you can probably get away with it if the book is too large to go first class.  I accidently sent one with a book the other day (forgot to take it out before wrapping it up) but it was a lighter book so it went first class.

I'd love to get a surprise like that in the mail!

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 10:44 AM ET
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Kim--

Per postal regulations and PBS policy it is not ok to include a bookmark when shipping via Media Mail.  Check out the document  "Can I include anything with my book?" in the Help Center for more details.  They tell you in big red font that:

"Including anything but the ALLOWED materials above in your package is a serious infraction of not only PBS rules, but also Federal law. Including inappropriate materials with your books will jeopardize your membership at PBS."

If you suffer from insomnia, you can read all the details from the USPS site: http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm#wp1060522

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 3:47 PM ET
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So Kim, I guess you can make your own choice. . .play by the rules, or really make someones day!! 

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 4:21 PM ET
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As a side note, we have had books sent to us IE people returning books to the library, they were sent media mail and WE had to pay the difference of postage from media to first class.  So yeah you'd be making someone's day alright just not in a good way.  Its not one rule I'd want to mess with.  You could also send a bookmark in a first class envolope seperately. 

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 4:54 PM ET
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Date Posted: 1/15/2009 6:07 PM ET
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Bookmarks are OK. I've checked on it and have it approved thru the post office and so have the games moderators on my behalf. Bookmarks are considered associated to the book. 

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 6:44 PM ET
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I buy postage at the post office, and since they weigh the entire package nobody would be stuck with an unpleasant surprise.  Others may mail differently, but using this method I've found that the estimated postage amount printed on my PBS wrappers is sometimes incorrect anyway.  I've received maybe half a dozen bookmarks (commercial not hand crafted) and haven't been asked to pay additional postage yet.



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Date Posted: 1/15/2009 7:45 PM ET
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I specifically asked at my station because I'm a crafter and make my own bookmarks as well.  The lady there said I could send them as "Incidental First-Class Mail Attatchments and Enclosures", defined by USPS as:

"Incidental First-Class Mail matter may be enclosed in or attached to any Media Mail piece without payment of First-Class Mail postage. An incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure must be matter that, if mailed separately, would require First-Class Mail postage, is closely associated with but secondary to the host piece, and is prepared so as not to interfere with postal processing. An incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure may be a bill for the product or publication, a statement of account for past products or publications, or a personal message or greeting included with a product, publication, or parcel. Postage at the Package Services price for the host piece is based on the combined weight of the host piece and the incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure."

However, she also said that postal inspectors are different when it comes to interpreting USPS regulations, and what one will say is ok, another will say is not.  She said that your best bet is to keep them small & very lightweight, and to always tuck them inside the book.

Subject: Speaking of Media Mail..
Date Posted: 1/15/2009 8:23 PM ET
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I had a recipe book that was published in a 3 ring binder, and the post office would not send it via media mail.  I use quite a few different post offices, so I chose to rewrap and try elsewhere.  I've never heard of that rule before.  I didn't make the binder, it was published that way!!

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 9:29 PM ET
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I find it hard to belive that a bookmark would not be allowed.  It weighs next to nothing, and is used with a book.  How would anyone even know that there was a bookmark in the book?  Would a postal worker actual cut through the gobs of tape and packaging to open a wrapped book and flip through all pages, just to see if there was a bookmark included within the pages of the book?

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 9:31 PM ET
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Oh, and I think it would be a lovely touch to add a bookmark to the book you are mailing.  It would bring a smile to the recipient.

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 9:55 PM ET
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To answer your question Valerie, just they do check media mail that way even if they have to open it. Weight has nothing to do with it either since people could be putting bookmarks in advertising stuff which is not allowed.

I did ask our Post office guy and he said no bookmarks and they do check..which I know from my above post..

 

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Date Posted: 1/15/2009 10:32 PM ET
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I mailed books today, and also asked my postal clerk.  He rolled his eyes and said bookmarks are ok.  It was close to closing time and two other clerks were listening to our conversation, one is the most senior on-site, and neither contradicted or corrected his answer.

The bookmarks I've received have been tucked inside the book during mailing.

So Kim, bet you never thought a simple question would stir up so many different answers!

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 11:48 PM ET
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Can nothing be simple?    :) 

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 11:50 PM ET
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Even if it is not against the post office policy it seems it is against PBS :(

I was thinking of adding some of my bad poetry to them, would that have made them media? hehehe

Date Posted: 1/16/2009 12:37 AM ET
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Read the USPS rules.   You can send a card or an invoice.   I do not see a bookmark as anything but a differently shaped card.  

Carol said it best:  I should have read her answer!  LOL

 

Bookmarks are OK. I've checked on it and have it approved thru the post office and so have the games moderators on my behalf. Bookmarks are considered associated to the book. 



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Date Posted: 1/16/2009 6:29 AM ET
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You can send me a bookmark anytime!

I've received hundreds of books on this site and a couple of times I was very happy to see a bookmark tucked in between the pages. It really made my day because I'm one of those people who never seem to have a bookmark when I need it.

I absolutely refuse to dog-ear the pages of even the cheapest paperback so as I a result I am often reduced to trying to memorize the page I am on. (You can imagine how successful that is, lol).

Date Posted: 1/16/2009 7:02 AM ET
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I just realized that I ordered a book from you! I'd love to get one of your bookmarks! :)
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