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Subject: One drop of water???? Really???
Date Posted: 11/28/2008 3:33 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/28/2008 3:37 PM ET
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I think that the one drop of water damage is if you can see the water marks. 

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I would say if your glass sweated on the cover and it was wiped away immediately and no damage is done it is postable.  What the issue is, I believe is when there are noticable water marks on the books pages.

Am I wrong, those of you who have been here longer?

Date Posted: 11/28/2008 3:48 PM ET
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If the drop of water left a visible mark or buckling of the paper, then it's water damage.  If you can't see it, then no damage has occurred and it's still postable.   A blacklight pen to detect body fluids on books?  Seriously?  Yes I know you can do this, but isn't that being a bit paranoid? Unless I'm an investigative reporter for looking for something to alarm the general public about, I think I'll take my chances and just enjoy the book without scanning it for everything. 

Date Posted: 11/28/2008 4:35 PM ET
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What Sandy said.  Water damage is water damage, regardless of size, and is not permitted.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 11/28/2008 4:48 PM ET
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Does the rule say  "water damage" or "water exposure?"  If there's no damage, does it matter if it was exposed to water that was quickly wiped away, leaving no trace?

Date Posted: 11/28/2008 5:08 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/28/2008 5:16 PM ET
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I've had a drop of glass sweat hit a book cover and I still posted it and had no problem.  But it didn't hit any pages and was cleaned up immediately.  Also there are other book sites that allow for book condition to be stated. I joined one of those for some of my unpostables.  Now I also do the Damaged Book Virtual Box in the games forum.  I've gotten to exchange some unpostable books-book for book. Granted, I get another unpostable book for it in return.  But so far they've all been in perfectly readable condition. 

Date Posted: 11/28/2008 5:50 PM ET
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It just comes down to the word - and condition - of DAMAGE.  Can you see damage?  I know it's a pain.  I don't like that I have damaged books with a couple of drops of water or that I get books RWAP because of a small amount of damage.  But it is a question of quality or condition.  I think it's great that we also have the virtual box for the unpostables...that at least makes things even.  Having lived in an old house without insulation and having all my books and papers get mildew and mold is something I'll never get over.  Obviously, I've thrown them all away long ago.  My house is now free of all that and the old house is 1400 miles away.  I never want to smell that again.  It made me very sick.  So if there is any speck of damage or a smell of mildew/mold - you can be sure I'll mark it that way, and I don't send them out that way.

Ruth

Date Posted: 11/28/2008 6:12 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/28/2008 7:27 PM ET
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I'm with Terri here.

Date Posted: 11/28/2008 8:46 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/28/2008 9:36 PM ET
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<<I think we need to focus less on one drop of water and more on 'really icky' things!>>

Believe me, folks here could already tell horrifying tales of "icky" things found in books -- various types of biohazards, fluids from various orifices, smushed wildlife, etc.  I really hope PBS doesn't start having to spell out "no boogers, sperm, blood, dog poo or dead lizards smushed in books".

They are problems too, yes.  But the rules for water damage are very black and white, and aren't negated by the fact that a lot of other disgusting stuff (which could politely be phrased as "water" damage) can also stain books.

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Catt

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Date Posted: 11/28/2008 11:09 PM ET
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one drop of water (wiped off or not) makes it unpostable. - I don't know where you got this, but I think it is inaccurate. One drop of water hitting a cover of a book and being removed before it damages the book does not make a book unpostable. One drop of water on a page may be a different story, I don't think you can get it off before damage occurs, the page paper soaks it up too fast.

I don't think this is that hard of a rule to follow. Can you see any damage? Yes, then don't post it. If you find a stain on page 201 while you are reading it, you've seen and know about the damage, don't post it. Pretty easy rules to follow IMHO.

Date Posted: 11/29/2008 12:16 AM ET
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Date Posted: 11/29/2008 6:43 AM ET
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I don't understand it either. Personally, I'd much rather get a book with a couple of drops of water on it than a book that smells of cigarette smoke. I think the rule is so unforgiving because otherwise proving that a book you received is damaged would be more of a hassle, with the sender and the receiver arguing over exactly how much water damage the book has. But it definitely has its downsides - for example, I remember seeing a post a while ago where someone asked what to do about a WL book she was sending to somebody that she had accidentally gotten two drops of water on while wrapping it; the general consensus was that she needed to cancel the order. I would have been so frustrated if I had been expecting a WL book and somebody canceled it because of two drops of water!

Date Posted: 11/29/2008 5:19 PM ET
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Date Posted: 12/2/2008 3:51 PM ET
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Hello. I am new here, and this topic caught my attention. I am not sure this is as "black and white" as previously stated.  I just sent out my first 4 books, and I checked for water DAMAGE, not water marks per se. I removed a book that had warped pages on the bottom of the book that I did not notice, but if it had been just a couple visible drops/marks, but no warping etc, I think I would have sent it, and I don't think I would be upset to get a book in that condition.

I think the key here is someone's interpretation of "damage". The condition guidelines say:

"If you would not mind "paying" a credit for a book you are considering posting, then it is probably okay to post.  However, book condition can be a subjective matter." (bold mine)

Hand-writing is OK but a small watermark isn't? I guess the bottom line is that is is "subjective" and would have to be worked out by the two parties involved, eh? I know I will check my next books MUCH better to make sure I stay in good standing.

 

Date Posted: 12/2/2008 4:39 PM ET
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Date Posted: 12/2/2008 5:18 PM ET
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I see your point.

I just wish I had read the Froum BEFORE I sent out my first 4 books......

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 11:19 AM ET
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Date Posted: 12/3/2008 11:31 AM ET
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The book condition guidelines say "No damage at all from water or other liquid," not "never exposed to water or other liquid."  IMHO if it is wiped off immediately but does not  cause damage, it is OK.

Date Posted: 12/3/2008 11:50 AM ET
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Date Posted: 12/3/2008 12:33 PM ET
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If you're worried, PM the receiver, and explain to them any potential damage. Most of the time, they just want the book, and say it's fine.