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Date Posted: 8/14/2009 5:46 PM ET
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Date Posted: 8/14/2009 5:54 PM ET
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I guess that member doesn't know the rules.  Many don't seem to know them or care to know them.  I guess they figure it's easier to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission.  I'm sorry that this happened to you and your son.  I can imagine how embarrassing it must have been.  Did you report it?


Date Posted: 8/14/2009 6:41 PM ET
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I was under the impression that, if you send something media, the only thing other than the item that can be included is an invoice.
Date Posted: 8/14/2009 7:28 PM ET
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Media mail regulations are very strict: only media (books, CDs, DVDs, VHS tapes) and an invoice (page 2 of the PBS wrapper qualifies as an invoice) are allowed to be sent using Media Mail rate.  No advertising, commercial solicitation, political materials, religious tracts, non-Media items, letters, cards are allowed.


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Including anything but the ALLOWED materials above in your package is a serious infraction of not only PBS rules, but also Federal law. Including inappropriate materials with your books will jeopardize your membership at PBS.


I'd at least mention the deliberate including of a business card in the survey.

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Date Posted: 8/14/2009 7:35 PM ET
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I would definately PM them and tell them how unhappy you were that your kid found that card in there.  Especially if they were YA or kids books. 

Date Posted: 8/14/2009 9:04 PM ET
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If they were obviously kids books then this is very inappropriate.  And it doesn't sound as if it was mistakenly left in the book.  i'm sorry this happened to you.

A friend of mine gave me a box of books and I went through them - there were ticket stubs, lists, scraps of paper, photos, etc in them mainly being used as bookmarks.   There was also a pile of unwritten postcards - sunny, beach, sea, flower, sunset etc scenes from Hawaii.   As I know I won't be using the postcards, sometimes I include one when mailing a book.  No one has ever complained or commented.



Date Posted: 8/14/2009 9:10 PM ET
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I would definately PM the sender -it was inappropriate and against the rules.  It doesn't matter if he found it (well it does but not the point) it is against the rules of the site.   Wonder if you opened it and handed it to your son w/o scanning the inside of the book - he would have come upon the card and invoice. 

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Date Posted: 8/15/2009 1:00 AM ET
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Did she give her phone number on the buisness card?  May I have it?

Muahhahaha.  :))

Dan (for Marilyn)

Date Posted: 8/15/2009 1:19 AM ET
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Oooooh, Dan, you sound like you have an evil scheme hatching! Mwuahahahaha :)

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Date Posted: 8/15/2009 1:26 PM ET
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It's not true that the only thing you can send apart from the media is an invoice. There are a few other things they allow, like a note to the receiver or instructions. But they definitely don't allow advertising for unrelated services, which that business card is an example of.

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Date Posted: 8/15/2009 2:40 PM ET
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That's a lot nicer than what I would have written.

Great post.

Date Posted: 8/15/2009 4:28 PM ET
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Well I do feel that it was on purpose, there's certainly no way to prove it, so I wont accuse.  :)

Date Posted: 8/15/2009 6:25 PM ET
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Just so you are aware in case this situation should arise again, Julie, or anyone else, media mail is NOT a one-way trip. You could indeed refuse the pkg, but it would not have gone to the trash and therefore lost. It would have been returned to her for the extra postage, plus the return trip postage. And since she was the sender, I believe the PO can hold her mail until she pays for the postage. That part I'm not positive on, but the surely would have to have some leverage to get their money back, and since she was the sender, she would be the one they would count liable for it.

But, I am positive on the return part. Media mail is returnable, with return trip charge.

Date Posted: 8/15/2009 7:16 PM ET
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I was told I could refuse the returned package.  I don't know what they do with it then (send it to auction w/the lost mail maybe?) but I don't think they ever require you to pay postage.

Maybe if you write "Return service requested" or something.

Date Posted: 8/15/2009 7:38 PM ET
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It's my understanding that personal notes are NOT allowed under the Media Mail rate.  And more than most, a business card for a home party hostess gives the appearance of advertising.

Date Posted: 8/15/2009 7:41 PM ET
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Letters are not allowed.  But a personal note on the "invoice" is allowed.

Date Posted: 8/15/2009 8:18 PM ET
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I was told at the PO that a short note, relating to the contents of the package, is allowed.  Such as, "thanks for the order, I hope you enjoy your books, Jane Doe".  Who knows, but just sharing what I was told.

Date Posted: 8/16/2009 12:48 AM ET
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This is from the USPS website and the link provides other interesting information regarding media mail.   DMM173 Media Mail Rates and Eligibility 

4. 3 Written Additions

Markings that have the character of personal correspondence require, with certain exceptions, additional postage at the First-Class Mail prices. The following written additions and enclosures do not require additional First-Class Mail postage:

a. The sender's and the addressee's names, occupations, and addresses, preceded by "From" or "To," and directions for handling.

b. Marks, numbers, names, or letters describing the contents.

c. Words or phrases such as "Do Not Open Until Christmas" and "Happy Birthday, Mother."

d. Instructions and directions for the use of the item mailed.

e. A manuscript dedication or inscription not having the nature of personal correspondence.

f. Marks to call attention to words or passages in the text.

g. Corrections of typographical errors in printed matter.

h. Manuscripts accompanying related proof sheets and corrections of proof sheets including corrections of typographical and other errors, changes in the text, insertions of new text, marginal instructions to the printer, and corrective rewrites of parts.

i. Handstamped imprints, unless the added material is in itself personal or converts the original matter to a personal communication.

j. Matter mailable separately as Standard Mail printed on the wrapper, envelope, tag, or label.


4.5 Incidental First-Class Mail Attachments and Enclosures

Incidental First-Class Mail matter may be enclosed in or attached to any Media Mail piece without payment of First-Class Mail postage. An incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure must be matter that, if mailed separately, would require First-Class Mail postage, is closely associated with but secondary to the host piece, and is prepared so as not to interfere with postal processing. An incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure may be a bill for the product or publication, a statement of account for past products or publications, or a personal message or greeting included with a product, publication, or parcel. Postage at the Package Services price for the host piece is based on the combined weight of the host piece and the incidental First-Class Mail attachment or enclosure.