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Subject: Am I the only one who sees this as hypocritical?
Date Posted: 5/12/2008 10:54 AM ET
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It seems that time and time again I see certain people on these forums preaching tolerance, tolerance, tolerance about EVERYTHING, and yet these same people will bash Christianity and see absolutely nothing wrong with it.  They seem to have no problem in mocking Christians and Christian beliefs...sometimes it is completely unprovoked. 

I know that sometimes we Christians will respond to some of thier posts and seem pushy, but to have someone just post a bashing comment out of the blue, unprovoked, seems a bit harsh.  Yet it happens quite often.  And no one sees how hypocritical that is?  It is very much accepted, and if a Christian comes to his/her defense, they are critisized, mocked, yelled at, and called names.

Just signs of the times I guess, but still sad.



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Date Posted: 5/12/2008 12:29 PM ET
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I totally agree. This seems true of the whole society now, also. Everybody wants freedom of speech and expression until it involves somebody talking about or displaying their faith and then, oh buddy, does the poop hit the fan. All of a sudden it changes from "a freedom issue" to "you are trying to cram your beliefs down our throat" or "only the ignorant could believe in creationism" type thing.

Date Posted: 5/12/2008 1:00 PM ET
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I agree, Pat.  It does seem to be rampant in societly lately.  Like I mentioned once before, people's hearts seem to be getting so hardened in these days.

Date Posted: 5/12/2008 1:06 PM ET
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Hi Patricia,

I guess I don't go to the same forum topics you do b/c I haven't really seen the bashing here on this site--I guess that is a good problem to have on my part, but it is disappointing that someone will talk one thing & do another.  But like you said it is everywhere anymore. 

Date Posted: 5/12/2008 1:55 PM ET
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Yes, I agree, and hope you will remember this next time you are approached with a peace offering. (You know what I'm talking about.) Sad, isn't it? Disrespectful and sad.

Oh well. What can ya do?

 

Date Posted: 5/12/2008 2:13 PM ET
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I think it is very much a sign of the times!!! sad to say (or maybe not), it is going to get worse...just means the Lord's coming is getting much closer...

Date Posted: 5/13/2008 3:20 PM ET
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I completely agree.  It seems that free speech does not apply to Christians, and skipping offensive posts does not apply to non-Christians.  Mocking Christianity is fair game, but questioning that mocking qualifies as censorship.  What a backwards world we live in.

 

 

Phooey on double standards

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Date Posted: 5/17/2008 9:52 AM ET
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Amen! Yes:)

Date Posted: 5/17/2008 8:58 PM ET
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Yes I agree... and then when we try to ask legitimate questions because we want honest answers, we get bashed, or ignored. In the last few weeks I have asked some questions of these people, and no one can bother to answer! Which to me means that they either don't really know, or don't want to say! It just bugs me.

Not to hijack your thread Patricia, but is anyone else getting tired of the really nasty blinkies some people are using on here? Political blinkies are one thing, and I do have one, but I get really offended by the ones that bash our country and our president. Hey, if you don't like our president, you're certainly entitled to your opinion and free speech, but to me they are bordering on obscene.

Date Posted: 5/17/2008 11:37 PM ET
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I have to agree.... that is why I don't read a lot of the forums here anymore or post in them. The friendly atmosphere that was here when I joined this site has disintegrated. It is sad.

I try to treat everyone with respect no matter what their beliefs are or how they differ from mine and I like the same for myself.   I am a Christian---always have been---always will be. That is who I am.  I don't push my religion on anyone. I don't like to be judged by anyone's preconceived idea about what I might or might not believe or what their past experiences were at any given church or how some Christian treated them badly in their life. And I don't feel that I have to relinquish my Christian values and beliefs to anyone just so that I will come to believe what they do. Furthermore, I don't feel that my intelligence should be questioned because I have a Christian viewpoint. Let's face it. A large majority of the people in this country believe as I do. We "get the Message." We can't all be stupid!

Some think that they mock us when they calll us "sheep" but I don't think there would be many of us who would object to that really--since Jesus Christ is our Shepherd.

Everyone has free will to believe what they want. Some do not believe that Jesus ever existed. Some believe that Jesus is a myth and some believe that He lived but was just a philosopher.  Yet, for all people--even atheists---every time they look at a calendar, check their appointment book, or write a check----the date itself validates that He lived!  Think of it! For over two thousand years, time has been recorded because of someone who never existed? For a myth? Or a mere philosopher among scores and scores of other philosophers?  I think not.

I know not.



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Date Posted: 5/18/2008 1:42 AM ET
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Brenda, hijack away!  :o) 

I also get mad about some of the blinkies, but since i usually have some anti-dem/liberal ones, I guess I can't really talk.  lol

Date Posted: 5/18/2008 8:43 AM ET
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Diane, that was very thought-provoking.  Yep, look at a calendar and you pretty much have it. All of us use money that says "In God We Trust"  Even some religions that DON'T accept Jesus as their savior still acknowledge that he stood for something good.  I got bummed about some responses on a thread awhile back where people were talking about "dung" on a picture of Jesus. Dung=Elephant poop in a can, it doesn't matter what you decide to re-name it.  It's on a picture of somebody that did no wrong! Why? Why do people like that? Would they want "dung" smeared all over their families picture? I doubt it. But to see it from their point of view, it would be like us seeing a picture of a celebrity with "dung" on it. I guess it is all perspective.  Don't get me wrong, people have a right to their opinion. I think I have a right to say my piece about it also without somebody telling me I'm too sensitive.

Date Posted: 5/18/2008 9:54 AM ET
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I just came across this thread and want to say I agree.  It hurts - but I try to not let it - when people who are supposed to be open minded and tolerant seem to think if you don't agree with them on politics OR God, then YOU are the ignorant one.    I find that offensive, but I am beginning to realize that I just need to consider the source and that their opinion of me doesn't REALLY matter at all.          It just amazes me that they claim to be so open minded and tolerant. 

Date Posted: 5/18/2008 6:52 PM ET
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So, here's the question I've been asking myself....

Is it appropriate to specifically point out someone's hypocrisy with specific examples?  Like listing quotes, or quoting something of theirs that they've said to someone else, back to them?

With this last round of nastiness, I was wondering if we took an anonymous poll and asked people to ask who the "troublemakers" were, or list someone they felt attacked by (or however you'd word that), what names would come up.

Some blinkies have been obnoxious, but I don't know how the powers that be would draw that line without loud cries of censorship - personally, I'd rather have blinkies FOR something or someone than AGAINST someone else, but that's just me  (although I adore Brenda's "clear choice" one).  ;)

 

Phooey on fine lines

Date Posted: 5/19/2008 7:27 AM ET
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Hi Kim,

I think if we are going to point out certain quotes or saying "go to this discussion on page so and so to see what I am talking about" it would have to be done by pm, or off PBS altogether, maybe by email. I pretty much know what names would come up on the troublemaker list!! I have been in "discussions" with a couple of them.

I will say that this very rexcent for me, because I have never been involved in controversial discussions on here until just recently. When I do get involved, if I ask a legitimate question where I already know what the answer is, I pretty much get ignored. I haven't yet pushed it, because I've seen what happens to those who do, and I don't really need the added stress in my life right now. However, there are some issues that are extremely important to me and there will be a time on here where I will be forced to stand up and fight! When I do, I would like to know before hand who exactly will be giving me trouble!! lol!

As far as the blinkies thing, yes, there are ones that are obnoxious, and I did contact R&R about two in particular. I did not say whos'  they were and what they said, and they pretty much told me that it would be censorship if they made the offender get rid of them, and I should just turn off my blinkies!~

I love your phooey's! I always look for them in your posts!

Date Posted: 5/19/2008 8:53 AM ET
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LOL Kim. It depends on how you approach it. People get touchy when you quote them sometimes.

Date Posted: 5/19/2008 9:45 AM ET
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I've ran into some of the Christian bashing.  I was called a bigot and a racist because I had the audacity to tell people that the Bible--God's Word--labels homosexuality as a sin.  I was attacked by about 10 different people on that thread, and I bailed out.  I could easily have debated 1 or 2, but not 10!  I was the one who was called intolerant because I would not see things their way.  What about seeing things my way for a moment?

The new "tolerance" is a one way street and the beginnings of controlling free speech.

Date Posted: 5/19/2008 1:51 PM ET
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I was originally thinking of an instance when someone tried to address it through PM's, but the person said they just deleted them without reading them.   So, in that case, I was wondering if would be appropriate to address it publically or just let them hold other people to a standard that they themselves were not following.

 

Chris-  I wouldn't touch the topic of homosexuality here with a 20 foot pole.  :)

 

 

Phooey on really long poles

Date Posted: 5/20/2008 4:20 PM ET
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What I have began to think about when I get upset over someone else's post is this:  WHAT do I want to accomplish if I answer the negative post??  I usually KNOW I am not going to change the orginal posters mind.  Do I want my point to be out there for others to read?  Do I want to be thought of as "right"?   Do I want to just argue?             WHEN I let myself think these things first, I seldom answer at all.   lol

Some of you from CMT may notice that I post less and less in there.  I still read almost everything posted but unless I feel that I can really make an contribution to the discussion, I just type a long ole answer, then delete it before posting!  LOL

Date Posted: 5/20/2008 7:50 PM ET
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Cozi, I know! I usually say my piece and then I just say...what the heck ever!  I was in another discussion where a person  OBVIOUSLY didn't check their facts first.  Sometimes I just put a link to something that has the correct info on it and don't post the fact they are wrong. No sense in having an arguement on some things.

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 8:37 AM ET
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Since I'm in the Christian forum I feel fairly safe in saying this...maybe we could all pray for each other to not feel the need/desire to respond to these negative posts....I KNOW I need to respond less...I start out positive and then I get frustrated and it shows.  I've tried to not go to some of the forums but, it is like something draws me to them to tear me down.

Chris...while I agree with you, I also wouldn't touch that subject on the forums with any length pole.

As far as the blinkies...the only way I see to combat them is to post positive religious blinkies....

I really like the Christian forum it just feels more peaceful in here...wish though there was more discussion.

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 10:23 AM ET
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Christy, I know what you mean. 

Sometimes my frustration shows too, as some continually "miss the point" on purpose, just so they can criticize instead of actually trying to see the other side.  There are several threads that I have just been reading in the last few days, but not posting in because I can see that some of the posts actually look as though they are being worded so that a Christian will respond...I bet that when/if one finally does, there will be  a LOT of ganging up on, and bashing of, that person.  I'm staying out of those topics for sure, as I can't see the point of participating.  Besides, some of the same info/opinions that I would have provided has already been posted.  So no point in my going in there.  :o)

 

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 12:37 PM ET
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Yes, please pray for strength to not respond!! Sometimes it just hurts so much to see or be the recipient of anti-religion responses. Christy, you are right- we need to just back off and not get into an argument in such posts. It serves no purpose except to open avenues for further Christianity bashing. Pray for me about this because it is so hard for me to keep my fingers off the keyboard when I see God/Christ or another Christian being maligned. I am so thankful for a forum where I can open up my heart about my faith and I need to stay out of that other forum as much as I can. I love the book swapping and the posting here with my Christian buddies and that needs to be enough for me. 

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 1:34 PM ET
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They're booby-traps. They aren't casual conversation starters. They are intentionally posting to entrap someone and bash them over the head with nonsense. It's really not worth the argument.

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 1:35 PM ET
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Oh, and Christy,

There are a couple (maybe a few) members that you will NEVER sway here. They will argue that the sky is yellow time and again no matter how wrong they are. They cling to their wrongness. I'm sure you've seen an example recently. ;)

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