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Subject: My ongoing RWAP odyssey
Date Posted: 8/10/2011 10:31 PM ET
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I think I am probably the most cursed person when it comes to receiving books that either should not have been posted or don't meet my 2 big requestor conditions: no ex-library and no Book Club Editions.

Do any of you have any good hints on the best way to word requestor conditions? I have tried everything form simply saying "No Book Club editions please" to long writes ups describing how to identify BCEs. I even have photos to detail the differences.

 

 



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Date Posted: 8/10/2011 10:36 PM ET
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That can be a toughie Jiles.  Many people (including myself until recently) do not realize that Book Club Editions are different from other editions of the same book...and do not know how to tell the difference.

Date Posted: 8/10/2011 10:41 PM ET
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My most recent batch of books:

Foreigner by CJ Cherryh. It came as a book club edition.

Cormyr by Ed Greenwood. It came water damaged with stained dust jacket and pages. Looks like someone poured coffee on the book by accident.

The Skies of Pern by Anne McCaffrey. It came as a Book Club Edition.

Freedom's Choice by Anne McCaffrey. It came as a Book Club Edition.

So 0-4 on these.

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Date Posted: 8/10/2011 10:51 PM ET
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I'm no expert, but thought at one time somebody posted that many of the SF hardcovers were only printed as BCE.  Is it possible that the hardcover books you are requesting were only printed BCE?  I'm truly clueless on the subject, but thought I'd throw it out there.

Date Posted: 8/10/2011 11:00 PM ET
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There are some books like that but I verify that the books I request do have a book store edition available before hitting the request button.

This is one of the example photo's I use to help people understand the difference between a publisher (book store) edition and a cheap book club (book of the month, etc) edition:

 

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The lack of a price and the control number in the bottom right hand corner are dead give-aways.

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Date Posted: 8/10/2011 11:09 PM ET
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And this is another I use to show how book club editions don't have a price on the inside flap like a publisher book store edition.

 

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Date Posted: 8/10/2011 11:24 PM ET
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@Jiles

Thank you for the information.  Those clues about the price are excellent.  I picked up a book recently and was going to post it on PBS--heavy wishlist book but I did not know until you pointed out in your example that I have a Book Club Ediiton.   Thank you becuase now when I post the book I can watch out for those RC and avoid confusion.

 

 

Date Posted: 8/10/2011 11:29 PM ET
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   I don't think I will ever accept a request that says no BCE as I would be too worried about being wrong.

Date Posted: 8/10/2011 11:50 PM ET
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Kim - If there is no price then you for sure have a book clue edition. If you have a price then you for sure have a regular publisher edition. But I agree, if you aren't sure then its probably just best to pass.

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 12:03 AM ET
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So after I RWAP'd the water damaged book above I got a PM from the sender saying that if I mail the book back he will refund me my credit. This screws me even more than just eating the lost credit... for a book that doesn't even meet postable conditions.

So I'm angry of course... but then I look at the stamp on the the shipping for the book and notice that the guy paid 8 doallrs for regular shipping on the book. So now I am all angry and confused. For 8 bucks I could just go buy a copy from a used book store that is exactly what I want. He could have probably taken 5 bucks bought a non water damaged copy and then mailed it to me fore the 2.82 media mail cost. And still ended up in better shape. I think I still have to be angry about my lost credit though.



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Date Posted: 8/11/2011 12:17 AM ET
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Jiles, you don't have to mail him the book unless he provide postage or give you an extra credit to mail the book back.

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 5:50 AM ET
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If the sender actually received the book because he/she belongs to one of the book clubs - do they forget that the book is a BCE? I belong to 2 book clubs, Rhapsody and Mystery, and *I* can remember my HCs are BCEs.

Just something that's been rattling around in my head . . . . I mean, if they picked up the book at a book sale or UBS that's one thing; but if they actually purchased the book via a book club, well, you know . . . .

Gail 

 

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I don't have a clue about BCE either.  Do they have a different ISBN than the regular hardcover?

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 9:11 AM ET
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I think you are probably running into people who just don't know they have BCE's.  The only thing I knew about BCEs when I first joined was that they were slightly smaller then normal hardcovers. But you can't even go by that anymore because I see BCE sized hardcovers in the bookstores now. 

You can put photos in an RC?  I personally would decline an RC that wanted me to go to links of photos.  But I now know how to identify a BCE so I wouldn't need to look.

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 9:11 AM ET
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Most of the BCE's I've run into have had the same ISBN as the mass market paperback edition.

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 9:28 AM ET
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Just curious, is the content of the book different at all?

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 11:11 AM ET
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As I don't know a BCE from a regular published HC (unless it says BCE on the dust jacket), I picked out 5 hardbacks I have on my BL (randomly)

1 has the bar code with price,  ISBN and the Control Number on the back of the DJ but no price inside the front of the DJ

3 have the bar code sticker on the back of the dj, but not the Control Number,  All had price indicators inside the front of the DJ

1 had the ISBN sticker on the back, but no Control Number and no price inside the DJ

I don't think any are BCE editions, but according to the above information, only the first one fits all the criteria for being a publishers copy.  I'm more confused than ever about BCE. 

I'd guess at this point that I'd turn down any 'No BCE RC'.  Pat

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 11:17 AM ET
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Pat, if it has a price inside the dustjacket cover, it is not a book club edition. Also, if the price is on the back with the bar code, also not a book club edition.

Yes, many people believe things like if the book has a blurb on the cover that says something like "Oprah's Book Club Selection" on it ... that makes the book a book club book.

And if it does not say "Book Club" right on the cover ... then it must not be one.

You should try to make your RC balanced between giving no information about BCEs and giving too much. And, I will be honest, information about book sizes is usually useless because people do not have 2 copies to compare ... they are looking at one book, and they have no way of telling if it is smaller than or larger than the other edition. So, your pictures of the hardcover and BCE being different sizes is only useful to someone who has 2 copies (since neither "small" or "large" hardcover actually correspond to a measurement that you can point to).

Many people have never noticed that hardovers even come in different sizes, much less will they know that the single book in their hand is smaller than normal.

So, in your RC, I would put the information about the dustjacket price, and maybe the little square on the back with the number string, and have a link to the additional information and your pictures.



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Date Posted: 8/11/2011 11:42 AM ET
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What makes book club editions undesirable?  Are they abridged versions and not the entire book?  Other than it being a little physically smaller in size, what is bad about a book club book?

 



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Date Posted: 8/11/2011 11:47 AM ET
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Do you also have an RC for a dust jackets?  Because a hard back book is still postable even if they don't send the dust jacket..  How can you tell if it's a book club is there is not a dust jacket?



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Date Posted: 8/11/2011 12:10 PM ET
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Here is what I use when I don't want book club editions and it seems to work fine:

  • No Book Club Editions. These will be most noticeable by the lack of a price on the inside flap of the dust jacket. If there is no price there, please decline this request. If there is a price there, please send the book.

Some people just won't care and they will send the book no matter what the RC says and fight you on the credit return. You may just be running into some of those too. They will get weeded out of the club eventually.

 

What makes book club editions undesirable?  Are they abridged versions and not the entire book?  Other than it being a little physically smaller in size, what is bad about a book club book?

They are cheaply made. But a lot people who avoid them are trying to avoid the size. They may be upgrading their keeper shelves from the BCE to the retail ones. Avoiding the smaller size is perfectly acceptable.

Do you also have an RC for a dust jackets?  Because a hard back book is still postable even if they don't send the dust jacket..  How can you tell if it's a book club is there is not a dust jacket.

If they can't tell if they meet an RC, then they need to be answering NO to it, not yes. The only time someone should be accepting an RC is if they really can say "Yes, my book meets these requester conditions". 



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Date Posted: 8/11/2011 12:20 PM ET
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Some people like to have all their books the same size which is why they dont' want BCEs.  Also I think non-BCEs tend to be of better quality. 

Like I said before: size isn't a good indicator. I have hardcovers that I bought at a book store that are smaller than standard hardcovers. So unless book stores are starting to get stock from book clubs-they aren't BCEs and yet aren't the larger hardcovers either. 

 

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 12:40 PM ET
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I've picked up BCE at the UBS not realizing what they were.  Wasn't until later I realized what I had b/c they were origionally released in mmpb, so those cute little hardcovers just had to be book club.  Nice size tho, now I'm trying to decide which to keep.

Regarding ISBN, yes BCE have the same ISBN as the origional book ... not sure which if they are released both pb and hc, so be careful when posting BCE to FIFO.  I received one in a swap and didn't realize for months that it was a hardcover BCE that had been posted to the paperback listing. 



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Date Posted: 8/11/2011 1:36 PM ET
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I have several BCEs that I've bought from book stores and received here at PBS.  All of my BCEs are hardcovers and the ISBN is the same as the ISBN of the hardcover book.  When I'm done with them I'll list them here and as long as someone doesn't have an RC stating no BCEs I'll send it.  Maybe it's just the type of books I read (mostly mystery/thriller), but I have no problems determining whether books are BCEs or not.

Date Posted: 8/11/2011 2:23 PM ET
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This is what i am going with right now:

 

  • No ex-library please.
  • No Book Club Editions. These will be most noticeable by the lack of a price on the inside flap of the dust jacket. If there is no price there, please decline this request. If there is a price there, please send the book. If you are unsure please PM me and I can help.
  • Please no books that have sloped or broken spines, writing (remainder mark is ok), rips, dog ears, water damage, missing covers, mising pages, or missing dust covers (for hardcovers that had them origonally).
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