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Subject: Oops - be sure your RC doesn't bite you in the butt...
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 7:28 AM ET
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I purchased and listed a WL book yesterday and the first request to come through had a RC - "All hardcovers must have their dustcovers - in good shape."  No problem, book doesn't have dustjacket, so I decline.

The next order comes through, no RC. I wrap the book for mailing.

The book is a childrens/young adult book with a glossy printed hardcover. I think back to my young days, lol, hmm...Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew were the same, didn't have dustjackets. Out of curiousity, I do a bit of research - this book didn't have a dustjacket originally either. So, the RC prevented the member from getting a perfectly fine WL book.

I'm not familiar with a lot of the books I list as I purchase them specifically to list (as I'm sure others do as well), so it's pretty much up to the requesting member to make sure the RC fits the situation and doesn't turn around and bite them.

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 8:37 AM ET
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I told this story before, but I had one RC that said "absolutely no writing" on the book.  My book was signed and thumbprinted by the author so I almost declined.  (It was a Thumbs Up Johnnie" childrens' book.)  I PM'd the requestor to explain about the writing inside the book and she wanted it anyway!!  She almost missed getting this book, so sometimes RCs can bite you in the butt!!

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 9:16 AM ET
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Yes, I've seen the dustcover RC worded as "If a hardcover book was originally sold with a dustjacket, it must be included." Makes a lot more sense to word it that way!

Cheryl

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 9:46 AM ET
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To me, your interpretation is kind of like saying I posted a paperback and you want dustcovers on your HCs so I declined. The RC certainly could be worded better, but IMO the RC clearly does not apply to a book that never had a DJ.

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 9:54 AM ET
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Melanie - I knew nothing about the book I posted until I thought of it much later and researched it. I only purchased it because the name stuck in my mind having seen it in some posts. I am not a kid, don't have kids, don't have any in my family and rarely post children's books. I usually don't have the time to research how they were originally issued in any event. Being off work gave me the luxury to do so last evening when my old Nancy Drew books came to mind as an afterthought. However, I would think that perhaps the person ordering the book would be more knowledgeable about it than I was.

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 9:58 AM ET
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I've had several hardcover books that had a dust cover and still had the decorative picture cover on the book itself. So the fact that it had a picture on the actual cover does not mean it never had a dust jacket.  I found this especially true for kids books and cookbooks.  So a sender shouldn't assume that it never came with one because the cover itself had a picture on it.

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 10:04 AM ET
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I have found that the vast majority of HC books that my children own that come with DJ have the same exact glossy picture printed on the cover.  The only way I'd know if they came with a DJ is if I bought or received them new. 

Honestly, I would have declined as well.  I once got a beautiful adult HC at an FOL sale that didn't have a DJ but did have a glossy printed cover.  It had over 70 wishers.  I had already made up my mind that if the wisher had an RC for a DJ, I would decline, as I had no idea if this book originally had a DJ or not and I wasn't about to spend the time to research it. 

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 10:17 AM ET
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Mary - the OP asked about this book on the YA forum and I answered. It never had a dustjacket.

(I have at least 5 of the books in the series, purchased brand new.  None had dustjackets.)

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 10:24 AM ET
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I wasn't saying that specifically for this request. Someone mentioned that denying it was like denying it for a paperback which would never have had a hardcover. I just wanted to point out that just because a book has a glossy picture cover doesnt' mean it didn't have a DJ at some point. So the OP was right to question this.  And so it's really up to the poster of the book as to whether they want to take the time to investigate whether or not the book ever had a dust jacket.  I have cook books and kids books with glossy picture covers and a dust jacket that just duplicates the cover picture. 

Date Posted: 12/29/2009 10:29 AM ET
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That's exactly why I asked there when the thought later crossed my mind , Britney  (and I appreciated your answer) - figured someone was sure to know the answer based on experience. I don't know that I'll ever run across another, but did want the knowledge in case I did. I'm more than happy to ship books that comply with RCs, but don't usually have time for a lot of back and forth PMs or research.

Date Posted: 12/30/2009 2:34 PM ET
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What Cheryl said.  The addition of 'if originally published with dj' (or something similar) is very helpful to senders.

I posted a hardcover that I purchased new without a DJ (glossy color cover).  The first requester had a DJ RC so I pm'd & confirmed she wanted the book (yes) and the transaction went smoothly.



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