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Subject: Opinions on postablity
Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:16 AM ET
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I just finished a book that has 600 wishers!  Yeah! I can post a WL book.

BUT...

The book was purchased brand-spankin' new at Borders. It is in pristine condition, even the dust jacket.

BUT

On one page, in the margin, there is a blotch of ink from the printing of the book.

I feel silly returning it to Borders because of the blotch.  (The blotch is a circular-ish smudge, smaller than a pea, closer to the size of a whole peppercorn.)

Could I offer it free w/any order off my shelf? Yes! I can! (Just about all the other books on my shelf have a bazillion copies in the system, so offering it free w/any other book is the only way I'd get rid of other books on my shelf.)

But, there are 600 wishers, it was just released one month ago, and I am a FIFO fan.

The guidelines specifically address:

  • No damage at all from water or other liquid
  • Not soiled
  • No stains (exception for cookbooks--see below)
  • No mold
  • no highlighting, underlining or writing on text pages (exception for textbooks --see below)

But, this is not a stain or soil, it's just an irregular circular ink print on the outer most margin of the book.

However, I do not want to get dinged with a RWAP.

What's your opinion? Is it postable? Thanks!

 

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:21 AM ET
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In my opinion, it's totally postable.  This isn't a stain, it's a printer error.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:27 AM ET
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I don't consider it a stain if it's a printing glitch. I would consider it postable.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:31 AM ET
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Thank you both! Since Ms. Bookbean is a tour guide, I feel confident that I don't need to keep polling, and I'm off to post the book!

Hopefully, the next person on the WL will get a Sunday morning surprise!

ETA: Woohoo! The book was on auto-wish! yeah! so hopefully I'll be getting a request soon!



Last Edited on: 3/29/09 11:34 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:35 AM ET
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I'd like to hear some other TGs weigh in on it too. I think it can be one of those "grey areas" though, but if it's definitely a printing glitch and not a stain from something else and it doesn't obscure the print and it's not on any other pages I'd say it's postable. What I tend to do in cases like these (and not everyone agrees with me) is I PM the requestor and let them know the problem and ask them if they'd still like the book. I give them a time frame of 24 hours to get back to me and if they don't I decline the request. However, if you do that you first have to accept the request in order to PM them. That's just how I like to do things, that way there are no misunderstandings and people have the option of declining it or not. If there are that many requestors I'm sure you'll get a taker quickly.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:37 AM ET
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Ivy:

When I PM them & let them know about the glich, if they are unhappy about it, should I decline so they don't lose their FIFO spot?

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:40 AM ET
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Yes, if you choose to do that YOU would have to decline so they don't lose their position in the FIFO line.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:43 AM ET
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But then I shouldn't repost the book immediately, bc it'll go back to that person, right?

I *honestly* cannot imagine a person having a sincere problem with this printer-smudge.

The only reason I asked, is bc if someone wanted to be a real stickler for the rules, and this printer-defect is indeed grounds for un-postability, I didn't want to lose a credit on it.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:45 AM ET
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I think if it's a printing glitch that doesn't effect the readabilit of the book then it's postable.

I had a heavily WL book from Amazon that had pages printed backwords and upside down. I got 2 copies and both were the same. I would not have posted that one. 

The book I'm readind now has some discolorations and a few stray ink marks from printing. It looks like there was too much ink on the edge of the printing block or something because you can see the line of ink where it ran along the edge. It's a historical mysery and the pages are made to look kind of old fashioned so you can tell they didn't print it digitally.  I posted it this morning as a WL book.  It's postable-it's just part of the printing process. Now if the ink went over the text pages then no, I wouldn't post it.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:45 AM ET
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I just read two books (category romances) which had a black dot - definitely from the printing process. These were library books, but it's a coincidence that this topic came up just as I was wondering the same thing. Personally I think it's easy to know these come from the printer and I wouldn't squawk if I received one, but others might especially if the mark was on top of a word (which these marks were).

I'm posting books on my bookshelf that I have not read and don't plan to read but I'm not going to scan every single page for printing blobs. If someone needs have their cake and eat it too (book AND keep their credit) for something that isn't from anyone's carelessness then I hope their conscience bothers them.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 11:53 AM ET
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In answer to your question Melissa, if you choose to do it the way I said it, then no, don't post it right away again. I really do feel it's postable, but like you said, you never know with some people. I always err on the side of caution and so far have never had a problem.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 1:11 PM ET
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I would PM the requester and explain the situation and get their approval before sending the book, just so that they couldn't come back later and claim that you had sent them an unpostable book.

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 10:16 PM ET
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Wow, I would be thrilled to get a brand new book that only had one printing blob!!! I have some pretty narly books lately. Still very readable and that is the point for me.....

Date Posted: 3/29/2009 10:42 PM ET
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I don't think print errors are even covered in the rules, are they? I decided not to post a book I had that had several blank text pages--way too annoying to pass on to someone else--but I would certainly post one that was published with flaws that don't make it unreadable. It could well be that every book in that print run has the same error, after all.

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 3:46 AM ET
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After I posted this, the requestor accepted & I had the option of "mailing in 2 days" or "I can mail later." After consulting a Live Help tour guide, I decided to choose the "mail later" and I picked the last date that I can mail. I PM'd the requestor, explained the smudge defect, and the consensus of it's postability, but if she doesn't want my copy she can PM me & I'll cancel it (so she stays at the top of the WL)

Thanks for the advice!

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 8:08 AM ET
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Sounds like you did the right thing, Melissa! Yeah, I can't call a printing smudge a stain or anything in that realm. Those things happen sometimes!

 

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 10:53 AM ET
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Absolutely the right thing - although I agree it's completely postable.  But the printing error issue is a good question - I had a new book that had a printing error on 3 or 4 pages where literally every other word was missing.  Kind of funny (I can't even begin to imagine how that happened) but very annoying - clearly it affected readability!  Good thing that I had my receipt and was able to exchange it for a correct one and someone here got the benefit of a brand new book that had never been read.

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 11:17 AM ET
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Okay, my curiosity is piqued.  Which book is it? 

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 4:49 PM ET
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The book is "The Associate" by John Grisham. 

I gave the requestor until Friday April 3rd to PM me... so it could take all week before I hear if she wants it or not.

Sianeka - ,
Date Posted: 3/30/2009 5:31 PM ET
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Another TG weighing in:  I feel the book is postable.  A courtesy PM is a nice touch , but not required.

(I think most Wishing members would be very excited to receive this, printing glitch and all.)



Last Edited on: 3/30/09 5:32 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/30/2009 6:05 PM ET
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I also agree this is totally postable.  I think you were fine, Melissa. :-)