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Subject: Opinions on RC
Date Posted: 7/13/2011 8:11 AM ET
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I am new to this site, but have been swapping on other sites for a couple of years.  I sent out five books in my first week, and am really happy with this site.  I want to put an RC on fiction books only.  Does this wording make sense and would you be inclined to accept it?  I am not that picky, just want the dust covers on fiction.  On cookbooks and other non-fiction, I don't care.

"Hardcover fiction should have mostly intact dust covers, few dings and small tears OK.  Does not apply to non-fiction like cookbooks."

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 8:17 AM ET
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It sounds find to me but you may still get turn downs.  Some people turn down any and all RCS and some don't read them clearly and turn them down when their books meets them anyway. So you may want to turn it off when requesting non-fiction.

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 8:43 AM ET
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I'd turn it off except when I was ordering hardcover fiction. That will make the RC simpler, since you can omit the specifications about kind of book.

I'd only have it at all if it were truly important to me to receive no books without a dust jacket - because it will reduce the number of books you receive overall. Some people will no longer have the dust jacket - others will have a dust jacket that is too beat up - others will have a dust jacket that is fine, but they think "a few dings and tears" is too subjective and fear that your assessment will be pickier than theirs - others will turn you down because they don't like any RCs. But you will definitely get fewer books without dustcovers.

But if you're applying it on a case-by-case basis, you can make that decision according to the individual book - is it more important to get the book quicker, or to have a jacket?

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 8:44 AM ET
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I would suggest removing some of the details to make your RC less subjective.  I would say somehting like "Hardcover fiction must have dust covers.  This RC does not apply to non-fiction such as cookbooks."

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 9:47 AM ET
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It's interesting that this topic has come up.  I came into a pile of books via freecycle, and while posting the books, I noticed many, many RC's that were as long as the Gettysburg address!  I understand about allergies and smoking households, but good grief -- it can't be this, it can't be that and on and on and on.  I was snarly and actually replied that when I see RC's that are as long as the Gettysburg Address, I will, on principle, decline the request.  I also let the person know that if they want a brand new book I suggest they purchase it from their local bookstore.  The kindness and graciousness of those in this community are wonderful, and  most folks are happy to get the book without all the RC's.

 

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 10:06 AM ET
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just as an aside...

The Gettysburg Address is Lincoln's shortest speech at 246 words and was delivered in about 2 minutes.  So Belinda, if you are looking for comparison impact that you are going to cross post in every RC topic in the community, might I suggest using Edward Everett's Gettysburg Oration, which  contains over 13,000 words and lasted more than two hours. 

Just saying. 

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 10:31 AM ET
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***snort***

 

(I inhaled my soda reading Kristen's post)



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Date Posted: 7/13/2011 10:31 AM ET
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..and another aside, it is not necessary to "let the person know that if they want a brand new book I suggest they purchase it from their local bookstore. "  PaperBackSwap allows people to have requestor conditions, and it allows senders to decline those conditions. 

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 10:31 AM ET
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Nothing good ever comes from "snarly".   Everyone has bad days.  I'm sure kindness and graciousness will prevail in the long run.

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 11:43 AM ET
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Carole your RC sounds perfectly fine, details and all. I one similar, leave it on all the time, and have had virtually no problems with it. One line I added to mine since I leave it on all the time is "If I ordered a paperback book from you, I have no additional conditions, please send it I can't wait to read it!" after having one member confused about what to do when I ordered a paperback.

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 11:47 AM ET
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YES, people will become confused if you order a paperback with that RC turned on. It happened to me a few times before I gave in and added a line about not having conditions if the book is a paperback. I will put my RC here, as it is extremely similiar to yours. I am ALMOST NEVER turned down for this RC, unless the dustjacket is missing. Here is mine:

 

If the book is hardcover, I would like it to have the dustjacket. If the dustjacket is old, worn, or torn, this is OK.

If the book is a hardcover and has an illustrated cover but not a dustjacket, this is OK.

If the book is paperback, I have no special conditions.

Thanks very much!

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 1:26 PM ET
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As others have suggested, I would just turn the RC off unless you are actually ordering a fiction book in hardcover format. I'm sure it will greatly decrease your refusals. Also, I would decline because of the subjective phrase, "mostly intact" which can mean very different things to you or me...I'd not be willing to take a chance.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 2:28 PM ET
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Oh.  I think you get the option to turn off the RC only when you use the 48 hour offer.  This option goes away for auto-request.  So you might want to set up only HC fiction as auto-requests.

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 2:59 PM ET
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Excellent examples by Melanie and Sara  yes

If I'm reading the OP correctly Carole, you would like dust jackets in about the same condition required of the actual book cover.  IIRC the swappability guidelines say no missing portions larger than 1 inch, no stains, no chew or teeth marks, and no excessive wear.  Your suggested "...mostly intact dust covers..." might be viewed as subjective. 

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 5:20 PM ET
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Thank you all for the excellent suggestions.  I really am not picky, if the DJ is there and doesn't require a roll of tape to keep it together I am good.  I don't need it to be new.  But, I do want the synopsis and other usual info on it.  I'll make some adjustments. 

Denise, your point is well taken, the rules already have what I need anyway. 

Sara, may I use yours?  It is pretty much states exactly what I want.

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 5:23 PM ET
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of course. smiley

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 6:34 PM ET
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I did something similar to Sara - I had an RC asking for dust covers with hardbacks, and I would get rejections on paperbacks with the reason "this is not a hardback." *blink* I ended up phrasing my RC something like, "If this is a paperback, please send, I have no additional requirements. If this is a hardback.... yadda yadda."

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 9:17 PM ET
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I turned down the very first RC I got because the book I posted was a paperback and the RC was about a hardcover including the dust jacket. It seems silly to me now but at the time I thought the requester had to add the RC for each individual request. I didn't realize you added an RC and it applied to all books unless you turned it off. So I was worried that the requester thought they were ordering a hardcover. RCs were a new feature at the time and I did end up reading about how they work but unfortunately, not before I turned down a request with what I now know is a ridiculous "this is a paperback" response.

Date Posted: 7/14/2011 5:33 PM ET
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Thanks again for the help.  I did make a modification, not using Sara's exactly.  Since I don't know how it will show up on a person's screen, I shortened it, took out the ambiguous part and added that there are no conditions for non-fiction or paperbacks. 

Date Posted: 7/14/2011 9:19 PM ET
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It shows up exactly how it looks.

and really just curious, what do you think is ambiguous in mine? I have tried to make it as clear as possible .....

I have not gotten any weird rejections since I added the part about not having conditions if the book is paperback.



Last Edited on: 7/14/11 9:19 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/15/2011 3:42 PM ET
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My RC is almost exactly like Sara's also:

 


  • If the book I requested from you is a paperback, please send it.
  • If the book I requested from you is a hardcover, please decline if the dust jacket (in good condition) is not included. Hardcover books that were published without a dust jacket are fine.

Thank you!

Lisa

 

 

I found that I had to add the line about paperbacks, since I was getting turned down and getting "this is a paperback, not a hardcover!!!" remarks way too often. 



Last Edited on: 7/15/11 3:43 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Subject: RC
Date Posted: 7/16/2011 9:33 AM ET
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Sara, there is nothing ambiguous in yours, I meant that part of my original one. 

I just ordered my first non-fiction book after setting those conditions.  I didn't know that I could turn them off for individual requests.  So, now I have shortened it to this - "hardcover fiction should have dust covers", and I'll just turn it off for all other types of books.

Thanks again!!

 

Edited to add the word "other"



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Date Posted: 7/16/2011 2:35 PM ET
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Date Posted: 7/17/2011 7:24 AM ET
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Lou,

Maybe the wording "send on" is what confused the requester.  When I quickly read what you highlighted in from your RC, my first thought was: "send what on paperbacks?".

If I had gotten such feedback from a requester, I might think of changing the wording to "Kindly just send any requested paperbacks."

Date Posted: 7/17/2011 7:44 AM ET
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Lou,   I'm confused about plastic wrap- do you want it or not?  I would try to accomodate you because you are very civil but I still am confused. Maybe it's just me, though.

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