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Subject: Options for Water-Stained Page
Date Posted: 4/15/2013 8:49 AM ET
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I have a TP book on dozens of WLs. For some reason, the opening page containing reviews is wavy, as if it was water stained. The rest of the book is pristine. Should I:

1. PM the requestor, explain the condition and let them decide to accept it? Is that binding? What do I do if, after receiving it, they say it was received water-stained? If they don't want it, do they then have to click the Not Now button so it moves to the next person?

2. Tear out the page and PM to say the page isn't there?

3. Tear out the page and send a photocopy of it?

As I understand it, my best option is to tear out the page and send it, since a book water-stained in any way isn't postable, but a book without its opening pages, with just reviews, can be posted. But that seems destructive just to meet a rule, and not everyone understands that those pages can be missing. 

But I also don't want to send it and have the person RWAP because of that one page being water-stained.

I assume #1 is my best recourse, but what if they don't respond to the PM? 

 

 

Date Posted: 4/15/2013 10:18 AM ET
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Offer it as-is in the Book Bazaar.

Date Posted: 4/15/2013 11:28 AM ET
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1. PM the requestor, explain the condition and let them decide to accept it? Is that binding? What do I do if, after receiving it, they say it was received water-stained? If they don't want it, do they then have to click the Not Now button so it moves to the next person?

This should never be done!  You are not to post a book with water damage period!    You can offer it for a credit in the book bazaar.

One reason to not post it even IF the receiver says it is ok.  The receiver reads the books and repost it and when they get a RWAP they reply that THEY got it that way.   Unpostable books should not enter the system.

Date Posted: 4/15/2013 12:17 PM ET
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Well, If it were me, I would neatly remove the page (no ripping) and post the book. No PMs needed. Problem solved.

Or you can offer it in the Book Bazaar as-is.



Last Edited on: 4/15/13 12:18 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/15/2013 3:30 PM ET
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Is the page just wavy or truly water stained?  I know that the newer books can sometimes have wavy pages--that just humidity in the air will do this.  Is there any actual discoloration from a water stain or is the page more brittle as happens when paper gets wet and then dries out?  If the answer to both those questions is no and the page is simply wavy, I would lean toward the book being postable as is with no water damage.

Date Posted: 4/15/2013 4:11 PM ET
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Would not recommend the pm route.  Determine if the book is postable or not, or if the book can be made postable by neatly removing the non-text page, and post it accordingly.  FIFO if the book is postable, book bazaar if it is not postable.



Last Edited on: 4/15/13 4:12 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/15/2013 4:33 PM ET
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The page is just a little wavy, and it could be caused by humidity, but that's still water.There's no staining; the rest of the book is in very good condition. I've never quite seen something like that affect only one page, but I got it used.

I think I'll cut out the page and send it, as several people suggested. Kind of ironic that I have to cut out a page to make it postable. I hate to cut a page out of a book, especially as the requester might like it. But I also hate to go to the Book Bazaar and not send a nice condition book to the next person in line, as it's not posted often. Oh well. 

Date Posted: 4/15/2013 4:41 PM ET
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The page is just a little wavy, and it could be caused by humidity, but that's still water.

Humidity is postable. IMO, water damage occurs when liquid water touches the book. It's unfair to penalze people who live in humid parts of the country for things that cannot be helped.

I once read a book in the Washington DC airport (summertime) and I watched it get wavy before my eyes. The thickness of the book expanded about an inch over about an hour, and the pages started getting waviness all thru them. It was crazy!

Date Posted: 4/15/2013 4:50 PM ET
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The problem is that the only opinion that matters is the person who's receiving it, and I can't argue that it isn't wavy. It's a matter of whether that's a problem for one page. So I agree with your suggestion--I'll err on the side of caution and take it out.

IMO, a book that gets wavy throughout wouldn't be postable, even if it was caused by humidity. That still seems like water damage, and I'd have a hard time reading it if I got it.

Date Posted: 4/15/2013 5:27 PM ET
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"...and it could be caused by humidity, but that's still water..."  Water vs. vapor/humidity is sometimes discussed in the forums Craig.  The PBS swappability rules actually say no liquid damage.  Many members that live in high humidity climates would be unable to send books if vapor and humidity were unpostable.

From the Help Documents:

Overall Condition:

  • No damage at all from water or other liquid