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Subject: order page on paperback book missing
Date Posted: 1/21/2008 9:37 AM ET
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im am wondering whether this makes the book unpostable.  its the last page that is the order page that is in alot of the older paperbacks.  i just noticed it.  its the page after teh last blank page of the book. 

tia

alex

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 10:59 AM ET
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I wouldn't consider that unpostable at all.  If it were me, I probably wouldn't have even noticed the page missing.

What you might do is post the book and when you get the request, PM the requester to let the know about the missing page and they can decide whether or not they want the book.  I've done that a couple of times with hardback books that I've got that are missing the dust jacket.

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 12:48 PM ET
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I would post the book and I wouldn't PM the person about the missing page because it isn't vital to the book

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 12:54 PM ET
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i post books that have minor flaws like that all the time, many that i have gotten from PBS. i always PM the requestor and make sure that the flaw is acceptable to them. so far, no one has turned the book down after hearing about one page with a little spot on it or something like that. but, occasionally people are really picky, so i would rather have them cancel before i send it instead of asking for their credit back later.

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 2:27 PM ET
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Sorry to be a stickler but its kinda my job to know the rules. The HC says No loose or missing pages While the order page is not at all vital to the reading of the book its still a missing page and against the rules.

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 5:21 PM ET
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"so i would rather have them cancel before i send it instead of asking for their credit back later."

If you are PMing about conditions that make a book unpostable at PBS, you should not expect the person ordering to cancel the order.  If you do this with a wishlist book and the person ordering cancels, they'll end up at the end of the line for that book.  If a book isn't postable according to PBS rules it shouldn't be traded for a credit--it can be offered as a freebie with an order from your shelf, this way it encourages an order that you wouldn't have had otherwise. 

 

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 6:26 PM ET
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Again a head's up here: If the books is missing pages, it is not postable. No one should be made to answer PMs regarding books that are posted. If a book is not postable it can be traded for free in the Damaged Book Thread in the Bopk Bazaar or offered free wi/ and order. Unpostables should not be posted for trade in a credit or a BOB swap.

IMHO: The PBS works well and simply, simple is best. There are so few rules here to follow and it worries me that bending the rules for a Non-Vital page will turn into "well it was just the first chapter".  People become picky when the books they receive do not fit into the What is Postable guidelines.

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 6:40 PM ET
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I doubt I would notice if any page outside of the actual story missing.  But, I would not knowingly post a book missing pages, regardless of how immaterial they are to the book.

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 7:05 PM ET
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well,if i notice a book like the one in my OP, ill just donate it.  i honestly wouldnt have noticed if i hadnt been going through a few books for a deal.  ftr, i didnt get a credit for the book.  I dont have a need to send books out for no credits...i would rather just donate them.  
I know that i have a few Anne Rice books that are missing the first blank page. i did notice those and didnt post them at all. they are in a huge box to send to the thrift store too. im sure someone will love them. 

as far as there not being too many rules here, that part i cant agree with. there seems to be more and more rules i find out the longer im here. 

 

 

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 7:13 PM ET
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Alex the rules arent new. They have been there a long time. They are written out plainly in the HC. 90% of questions can be answered in the HC.

Date Posted: 1/21/2008 7:17 PM ET
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Some how, I don't think that is what they had in mind when they made the rule.  But it's always better to follow the rules strictly than take a loose interpretation and find out you've upset someone.

Date Posted: 1/22/2008 12:07 AM ET
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Since the page is not part of the story, I would say to post it.

Date Posted: 1/22/2008 12:49 AM ET
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I would say it would be okay to post it too.  It's not part of the story, and there can be writing on the non-text pages like flyleaf (but not on text pages), so I'm thinking it would be okay to have non-text page (this sounds like one of those perforated inserts, not actually even a page) missing...



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Date Posted: 1/22/2008 7:02 AM ET
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ill say it again just in case those in power realize that i dont want to break the rules...if i come across a book like that again, i will donate it. 

Date Posted: 1/22/2008 11:42 AM ET
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I asked R&R to clarify "missing pages" .. If you look at the guidelines for posting books now, it clearly states:

"missing TEXT pages" ...

Just thought I'd update everyone on this ..

Date Posted: 1/22/2008 12:10 PM ET
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thanks Janet!  I thought that declaring a book unpostable because of a missing order form page didn't seem logical or fair especially if it is an older book.

Date Posted: 1/22/2008 1:10 PM ET
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I'm glad it's clarified too! I order lots of old, out of print books and I'd hate to think these books wouldn't be listed at PBS becuase of a missing blank page. These books are rare enough as it is! I almost wish we could relax the standards for fifty year old, out of print books so we'd have a better chance of getting them here, but that would open a whole new can of worms. Yeah, we probably shouldn't do that, lol!

Date Posted: 1/22/2008 1:42 PM ET
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Thanks for doing that Janet! It didn't seem that this case would fall within the intent of the rule, but the way it was written a literal interpretation could be enforced by a member and a credit would be lost for a perfectly good book.

Date Posted: 1/22/2008 8:21 PM ET
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That's kind of what I figured they meant, but it didn't seem worth a fight over it.  Thanks so much for getting the clarification, Janet.

Date Posted: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM ET
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If missing order pages made books unpostable, there would be a lot of Harlequin/Steeple Hill and other serial romance novels that would have to be pulled from this site, as I'm sure I'm not the only one who is annoyed by them and rips them out the minute I receive the book.

I'm glad R&R made the clarification. Those guys really rock!

For those who love older books, try BookMooch. Because they have no condition guidelines, a lot more pre-ISBN books show up there.