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Subject: out of luck?
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 4:54 PM ET
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i just received a book today that was only shipped in the label with nothing actually protecting the book.  the wrapping and the book are both soaking wet because of the rain.  as far as reading it, its fine once dried out but i cannot repost this.  do i mark it as rwap or just received since i guess this would be the post offices fault?  or is it the shippers fault for not protecting the book?

Date Posted: 10/14/2010 4:56 PM ET
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 its not required that the sender wrap in plastic.. They are not the ones who caused it to rain or told the USPS to get your book wet, wish we could control that.. that would be like hrmm dreamy :)

sorry forgot RWAP USPS was an option. Thats what you select.. sorry about the damage. sucks :(



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Date Posted: 10/14/2010 4:58 PM ET
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Hi,

You would mark it RWAP - Damaged by Post Office. However, you don't get your credit back.

The sender is not required to waterproof the package, unfortunately. So, the paper wrapping is considered adequate and since the sender wrapped adequately, you are not supposed to ask for a credit back.

Yes, it is one of those things that happens ... when the post office damages the book, the requestor is stuck with the damage. Just like when the Post office loses a book, the sender is stuck without a credit.

If you think that this may become a problem for you (you live in an area with bad weather or your post office is particularly careless, or whatever), you can make a Requestor Condition (RC) and ask that books be wrapped in plastic before they are mailed to you.



Last Edited on: 10/14/10 5:00 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 4:58 PM ET
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thanks.  thats what i thought, just wanted to make sure i was doing it right.  :)  i can just add it to my unpostables when im done with it.

 

ahhh!  thank you for suggesting i make this a rc.  it is becoming the rainy season over here on the east coast and our mailboxes at the end of the street arent waterproof apparentally.  i wouldnt even have thought of that.



Last Edited on: 10/14/10 5:08 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 10/14/2010 5:09 PM ET
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Some members don't realize what a book can run into on its way so I always mention that the USPS is hard on books and a little extra protection, like plastic or extra tape, can help a book survive the trip.

Date Posted: 10/14/2010 6:11 PM ET
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Definitely 'Damaged by Post Office' and, unfortunatly, that means you can't get your credit back. Sorry.

If it's your home's rainy season, I'd put an RC on your requests saying so and asking for plastic wrap on your books. You might get turned down by some members not willing to take the extra step but I think most would understand your concern. I've gotten a few of those RCs; I'v always agreed to them and taken care to protect the book properly.

I always try to either wrap the books in plastic wrap or put them plastic bag/large Ziplock baggie. In fact, today was the first day in a long while I haven't done so. I needed to mail the books today on my way home for Fall Break or they would time-out. I completely forgot about the bags on my way out the door so I just have to hope that the bubble packages the books are in will protect them enough from rain and other Post Office hazards.

Date Posted: 10/14/2010 7:01 PM ET
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also you can post it in BB as unpostable for 1 credit.. so you can still get a credit for it.

Date Posted: 10/15/2010 10:27 AM ET
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Jennifer-

I live in south FL, and for us it's hurricane season!  We get a ton of rain during the spring, summer, and fall months down here!  I have an RC for plastic, and truly- I've only had two members complain about it.  I get turned down periodically for the books currently in smoke-free homes one a bit more, but that's ok- 'cuz that's the point!

If  it's a problem for you, an RC is the way to go.  If someone won't bother with plastic wrap and a nicely worded, polite RC, then chances are I don't really want their book anyway!  Most times another one will get posted soon enough!  It has saved me from retrieving soggy, wet bricks from the mailbox several times!

Good luck!

Date Posted: 10/15/2010 10:40 AM ET
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This one really irks me.  Why?  Because books getting wet IS NOT always the fault of the PO.  I had a leaky mailbox and didn't realize it until I started getting books that were damp.  Once I figured it out, I got a new mailbox and the problem mostly disappeared.  So, it's quite possible that the sender put the outgoing book in their leaky mailbox and that's how it got wet.  Or, the PO put the book in the sender's leaky mailbox and it got wet.

For the life of me I don't understand why people have a problem with taking an extra minute to wrap a book in plastic before the outer wrapping, especially during the rainy season.  I love and respect books and would be heartbroken to know that a book was ruined because of my negligence.  I have an RC requiring that books sent to me be wrapped in plastic since I live in the Pacific NW.  If I receive a book that was not wrapped in plastic, I do a RWAP even if the book was not damaged because the sender didn't honor my RC. 

Date Posted: 10/15/2010 10:43 AM ET
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For the life of me I don't understand why people have a problem with taking an extra minute to wrap a book in plastic before the outer wrapping, especially during the rainy season.

It's always the rainy season somewhere it seems.

It's also not about taking the time for me. I just don't keep a lot of plastic on hand, so what I have is reserved for multiple orders and people with plastic RCs.

ETA: I receive most books without plastic and sometimes during rainy days. Maybe I just have awesome mail people and a great mailbox, but I've never received a book damaged because it wasn't wrapped in plastic.



Last Edited on: 10/15/10 10:45 AM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 10/15/2010 11:10 AM ET
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It's also not about taking the time for me. I just don't keep a lot of plastic on hand, so what I have is reserved for multiple orders and people with plastic RCs.

ETA: I receive most books without plastic and sometimes during rainy days. Maybe I just have awesome mail people and a great mailbox, but I've never received a book damaged because it wasn't wrapped in plastic.

I have a question.  If you received a book request from me and saw my RC that all books should be wrapped in plastic, would you decline the request or scrounge up some plastic?  If the answer is that you would accept the request and find some plastic,  then it means that you don't have a philosophical reason for not using plastic.  In that case, why not ask your neighbors to save their discarded plastic bags for you.  That way you would be doing the planet a favor by recycling the plastic.

As to your second statement, I do believe you have been lucky or you don't live in an area that is really wet (like the Pacific NW). 



Last Edited on: 10/15/10 11:11 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 10/15/2010 12:10 PM ET
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I live in the Pacific NW, out on the ocean, so it is VERY wet out here... but USPS doesn't do street delivery where I live anyway, so I have a PO Box. I have yet to receive a wet book! At least not one that got water damage enroute.

I always wrap my books in plastic before sending. Sometimes they get a little wet during the short walk from my car to the PO (though I do try to cover them too). But I never know what they'll run into at the receiver's end. Plus wrapping them in plastic makes it easier to get the paper wrapper snugly on the book since I can tape it to the plastic. 

Date Posted: 10/15/2010 12:20 PM ET
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If the answer is that you would accept the request and find some plastic, it means that you don't have a philosophical reason for not using plastic.

Well, she might still have a philosophical reason for using less plastic. I try not to be crazy about any one issue ... but I think its good to try to consume less stuff, in general. Especially us over-consumers here in the USA.

The question of whether or not PBS should require plastic has been endlessly debated, with people on both sides who will never change their minds.  However, the fact remains that PBS does not require plastic at this time. So, it is up to the receiver to ak for it if they want it. That makes everybody happy because they can require it on books they receive, senders only use it if they want to, and the people against plastic can also do their thing.

See ... everybody happy! smiley

Date Posted: 10/15/2010 1:26 PM ET
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Wondering........

enlightenedIs "Plastic Philosophy" anything like "Plastic Prose"?enlightened

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"A Preface On "Plastic Prose"

"THERE IS A SECRET LANGUAGE in the tempo of things which gives birth to personalities."

There is a spirit of things that is at home in neither prose or poetry.

In this trend has been the bulk of much of the philosophic and meditative work of Joseph Sadony.

-RD

Date Posted: 10/15/2010 2:51 PM ET
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"Some members don't realize what a book can run into on its way so I always mention that the USPS is hard on books and a little extra protection, like plastic or extra tape, can help a book survive the trip."  +1 - Reciving an RC asking for plastic underwrap (very nicely worded btw) was when the light bulb went on for me.  Got me thinking...I also live in a seasonally wet climate, what if??? 

I've since become a confirmed fan of 'plastic' (I save what little we use just for this purpose).  Especially after receiving several books that would have been ruined without the protection senders had used under the wrapper.  One arrived dry, but had been very wet at some point (I'm guessing leaky blue box).  The mailing label had been soaked enough for the ink to run even under clear packing tape, the address was almost unreadable (kudos USPS) and the DC barcode was completely illegable.  During particularly wet seasons I've had a couple packages arrive in various stages of dampness, due to a slightly open or damaged rural mail box (now replaced).  Luckily, so far all of the above 'wet' books arrived with plastic underwrap and none were damaged by the experience! 

BTW, I have fabulous mail peeps, other members are not so fortunate.

LOL Rob!



Last Edited on: 10/15/10 2:54 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 10/15/2010 3:02 PM ET
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Whether or not I'd accept an RC for plastic would depend on if I had some on hand...I try to avoid bringing things home in plastic, I try to always use reusable shopping bags even in clothing stores. I don't put fruits and vegetables in those little plastic bags etc. No magazine subscriptions, no newspaper subscriptions, rarely order online and what I do order isn't shipped in plastic.

And for some that might say ask your neighbors to save their plastic, well I have few neighbors and I am not a fan of bringing other people's trash into my home...I would not know if they had bugs (roaches for instance) and I don't want to risk the possibility of them being brought into my home.

Date Posted: 10/15/2010 3:27 PM ET
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I have a question.  If you received a book request from me and saw my RC that all books should be wrapped in plastic, would you decline the request or scrounge up some plastic?  If the answer is that you would accept the request and find some plastic,  then it means that you don't have a philosophical reason for not using plastic.  In that case, why not ask your neighbors to save their discarded plastic bags for you.  That way you would be doing the planet a favor by recycling the plastic.

Of course I would accept your RC. I said I save plastic for that very reason.

However, I do not bring in extra plastic than necessary. Whether or not it's a philosophical reason is beside the point. It's a reason nonetheless. I don't accept the plastic bags at stores unless absolutely necessary. I only have one magazine subscription that comes in plastic. I don't know my neighbors except by sight and maybe a name or two. I would not feel comfortable asking them to give me their plastic. I wouldn't want them asking me. It would be very odd.

I am doing the planet a favor by reusing the plastic I have and not adding to the problem by acquiring more that will just be thrown out eventually.

Date Posted: 10/15/2010 3:46 PM ET
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If you received a book request from me and saw my RC that all books should be wrapped in plastic, would you decline the request or scrounge up some plastic?  If the answer is that you would accept the request and find some plastic,  then it means that you don't have a philosophical reason for not using plastic.  In that case, why not ask your neighbors to save their discarded plastic bags for you.  That way you would be doing the planet a favor by recycling the plastic.

If it's a question of using no plastic, or using somebody else's plastic, one is not conserving resources as the plastic already exists. Whether I use it or not is sort of meaningless.  And I know I may get some guff for this, but I use PBS mostly for, like, fun.  If someone's RCs are too much of a bother, I decline and move on with very litle feeling about it one way or another.  One of the lovely things about the PBS guidelines is that one is obligated only to send postable books when requested, and wrap them according to the site's recommendations and mark them when received  Everything else is at the individual member's discretion.  I may be selfish, but I use PBS for my own convenience.  If you (editorial) want something above and beyond, whether I fufill that request will be entirely up to whatever I feel like doing at the moment and no explanation will be forthcoming beyond a simple "can't meet conditions". 

Date Posted: 10/16/2010 6:45 PM ET
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Caviglia - If PBS had a "like" feature I would have used it for your post.

Subject: Wrapping in plastic
Date Posted: 10/20/2010 10:10 AM ET
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I routinely wrap book in plastic....takes an extra minute. I have two plastic shopping bags full of the plastic the newspaper comes in. I have plastic bread sacks and a fair number of plastic shopping bags. I do use cloth bags at the store, but sometimes don't bring enough. I have brought home the plastic sacks from work that held  foam plates. I could provide plastic to anyone who needs it!

Date Posted: 10/20/2010 11:12 AM ET
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Wrapping in plastic is second nature for me when I send out books; no matter where they are going.

-RD

Date Posted: 10/20/2010 11:21 AM ET
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I admit it .  I'm a plastic reuser.  Better on my books then in the landfill.  I love my books to much to risk the damage they may be confronted with in the postal abyss. 

Sad that you received a wet book.

Hope all your future orders arrive dry.