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Subject: POLL: Top 10 SF/Fantasy novels of the 2000s? *VOTING CLOSED*
Date Posted: 1/24/2010 11:34 AM ET
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**VOTING IS NOW CLOSED**
Results will be posted on 2/4/10.

I am conducting another non-scientific poll! In this one, I am asking what you thought the best science fiction and fantasy novels of the 2000s were. You can vote for up to ten (please put them in the order you prefer, as I am using a weighted system to compile the votes) and the only restrictions are the the novel must have been published between Jan. 1st 2000 and Dec. 31st 2009. Voting will be open for ten days, and once I've collected all the votes I will post our results! Please format your votes the way I have formatted mine below, including the first publication date:

1. Kushiel's Avatar, by Jacqueline Carey (2003)
2. Farthing, by Jo Walton (2006)
3. The Curse of Chalion, by Lois McMaster Bujold (2001)
4. Alphabet of Thorn, by Patricia McKillip (2004)
5. Sunshine, by Robin McKinley (2003)
6. Hammerfall, by C.J. Cherryh (2001)
7. Matter, by Iain M. Banks (2008)
8. A Companion to Wolves, by Elizabeth Bear and Sarah Monette (2007)
9. Revelation Space, by Alastair Reynolds (2000)
10. Altered Carbon, by Richard K. Morgan (2002)



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Date Posted: 1/24/2010 11:36 AM ET
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Hmmm. . . interestingly enough, three of my top ten either were nominated for or won the Mythopoeic Award, two were nominated for the John W. Campbell Memorial Award, and only one was even nominated for a Hugo or Nebula, which it did not win. . .

Date Posted: 1/24/2010 8:33 PM ET
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1. The Love We Share Without Knowing by Christopher Barzak (2008)

2. Dark Harvest by Norman Partridge (2006)

3. Territory by Emma Bull (2007)

4. The Curse of Chalion by Lois McMaster Bujold (2001)

5. The Orphan's Tales: In The Night Garden by Catherynne M. Valente (2006)

6. The Hero of Ages by Brandon Sanderson (2008)

7. Mistborn: The Final Empire by Brandon Sanderson (2006)

8. The Dragons of Babel by Michael Swanwick (2008)

9. Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke (2004)

10. Spin by Robert Charles Wilson (2005)

A lot more heavily leaning towards fantasy than I expected, but there we are. I only really feel bad about it because Richard K. Morgan just barely missed the cut-off, and I love his sci-fi work.

Three Mythopoeic Award winners from my list too, one which won both a Hugo and World Fantasy Award as well, another that was a Hugo runner-up and WFA nominee, and a third which was a WFA nominee.  Also one second-place Campbell nominee, which also won a Hugo.



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Date Posted: 1/24/2010 8:37 PM ET
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It always does hurt to think about that #11 spot. . . thanks for voting! You are actually the first person on any of the sites I posted this on to mention Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, which surprised me; I was expecting to see it all over the place! That one and The Orphan's Tales: In the Night Garden are on my TBR pile. But other than The Curse of Chalion, I haven't read any of the books on your list! I love lists. . . always give me good ideas for things to put on my reminder list, so that when something comes off my wishlist they can get moved to my wishlist. . . of course by the time all that happens I will have completely forgotten who recommended the book in the first place and be totally surprised at the sort of book it is. . . but that's the joy of PBS! :)

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 12:55 AM ET
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...and I  don't see any of George RR Martin on there, several of the Song of Ice and Fire came out in those years and that's the best fantasy series in the last decade+ (since it's taking him that long to write 'em lol). Richard K. Morgan is so dreary, unimaginative, and just plain plagarizes so many other works I can't see him on a best of anything list.

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 1:23 AM ET
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So what are YOUR top 10 M. m. B.? Those're just my votes. I'll admit I've never tried Martin (and only two of the Song of Ice and Fire novels came out in the 2000s -- A Storm of Swords in 2000 and A Feast for Crows in 2005; the other two are not eligible for this poll), but I found Altered Carbon delightful, even though it's true there was nothing groundbreaking in it, and so I included it on MY list accordingly. (I would also note that as far as I'm aware no one has ever accused Morgan of plagiarism; his style may be similar to other writers and the story may not be particularly original, but the actual plot, characters, and text were his creation to the best of my knowledge. People online throw that word around a lot, and I would remind everyone that plagiarism is an accusation with legal consequences, while there is nothing criminal about not being original as an author.)

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 6:07 AM ET
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Well, A Song of Ice and Fire isn't on my list for the same reason The Prince of Nothing, The Long Price Quartet, and Malazan Book of the Fallen aren't on there. I haven't read them. I have, on the other hand, read Martin's The Hedge Knight, so I do not doubt that his novels would have made it onto my list, probably several times, if I had in fact read them.

And plagiarism is a serious charge which is wholly inapproprate to throw around like a base insult.

And as far as Morgan goes, I think the cyberpunk genre had pretty much gone stale by the time Altered Carbon came out, and he re-energized it.



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Date Posted: 1/26/2010 10:13 AM ET
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I do agree George Martin was good.  BUT like Phoenix says -his first couple of books were written before the cutoff date and it's the series that's good -at least in my mind.   I wouldn't vote for it until I read that last book.  Which I hope comes out this year!    I thought about putting him on the list but his books aren't stand alone.  Much like Tad Williams Otherworld series.  You can't just pop in and read book 3.   Many people who enjoy SF wouldn't like his books.  They are pretty graphic. 

We all have different tastes.  SF is such a broad topic area I will be interested in how many hits Phoenix gets per book in her poll.   I do hope you will list all the books -even books with one vote this time since you are collecting off another site too.  I've already added several books to my must read list. 

And Phoenix - War  of The Flowers came in last night so for the sake of your spreadsheet you'd better hope I am busy the rest of this week (Which in fact I am!)  I'm pretty sure I'll only get one more book read from the 2000's.

and now let me go see if I can find The Hedge Knight  or any other of his short fiction in any of the anthologies I have here.

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 4:40 PM ET
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Hehe, Ann, I will make do if you rearrange your list. I'll just complain while I do it! ;)

If you guys REALLY want to see the books that get one vote, I can include them. . . but I warn you, I'm up to over a 100 different titles already, and there's still a week to go!

Date Posted: 1/26/2010 9:48 PM ET
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I really would like to see the whole list but you can just message it to me if we gon't get a second on it.  I read mostly old science fiction so I'd like a fresh look at the new stuff.  And you should be happy I did sudokus tonight instead of reading books from 2000's   -although I'm about to go read now.

Date Posted: 1/27/2010 12:12 AM ET
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Hehe, I suppose I must forgive you. . . after all this discussion, I did something totally boneheaded. I picked up a book published in 2003. Of course it was wonderful, and now I need to see if I need to go back and change my OWN votes. . . bah humbug! :)

I'm coming with all sorts of weird stats to post about the nominees. . . I'm going to have to find somewhere to put all the info. . . it just may be on Livejournal, and I'll post a link here!

Happy reading!

Date Posted: 1/27/2010 1:06 AM ET
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Oh good!  Because I just realized 1632 was written in 2001...  :)   If you have a spreadsheet of all the data I think you can upload it onto Google -like the sci fi reading log.  I have no idea how to do it but it might be fairly easy.  I'll try to upload one in a day or two and see if it works.  When is t he last day for the poll?

Date Posted: 1/27/2010 2:05 AM ET
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Ummmmm. . . the last day is. . . Feb. 3rd. Yeah. Unless my math is totally off. . . knew I should have marked it on my calendar!

I've actually just got a word document at the moment, which I've discovered isn't terribly practical, now that it's seven pages long. . . maybe I'll play with it tomorrow and get it into Excel. So, if you figure out how to upload an excel spreadsheet into Google before I do, let me know how it's done! :)

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Date Posted: 1/27/2010 9:05 AM ET
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I already posted my list in the science fiction thread, but I wanted to add that I thought about George R.R. Martin, but I decided that the Song of Ice and Fire series was too defined by A Game of Thrones (1996) to just toss in the third or fourth books.

My list leaned heavily toward science fiction, but I had to give The War of the Flowers by Tad WIlliams the #1 spot. 



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Date Posted: 1/27/2010 11:34 AM ET
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I am so pitifully unread  in recent Sci Fi or Fantasy that I am ashamed to show my face here, almost.

1. Ilium by Dan Simmons

2. Olympus by Dan Simmons

3-7  All that Robert Jordan wrote in that period.

8-10 All of Octavia Butler's last books, even if they weren't near as good as her earlier work.

The world of sci-fi and fantasy is so immeasurably smaller without those giants. (Oh yes, that cat Asimov; we miss him too)

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What order would you like the Robert Jordan novels in, John? And the only Butler that I think was published post-2000 was Fledgling. . . does your list stop there, or has Wikipedia not given me complete information?

Thanks for voting!

Date Posted: 1/27/2010 5:42 PM ET
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Well there are Lilith's Brood and Seed to Harvest, but those omnibus reprints of books from the 80's.

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Yeah, I wouldn't count an omnibus reprint. . . short stories collected for the first time are one thing, but when the books themselves have already been published once. . .

Date Posted: 2/3/2010 10:45 PM ET
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Only a little over four hours before I close this poll! Get your votes in while you can!

Subject: ** RESULTS! **
Date Posted: 2/5/2010 12:23 AM ET
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Here are the top 25 books of the 2000s, based on your votes. There were quite a few ties. . .

 

1. A Storm of Swords, by George R.R. Martin (2000)

2. American Gods, by Neil Gaiman (2001)

   Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, by Susanna Clarke (2004)

4. The Curse of Chalion, by Lois McMaster Bujold (2001)

    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, by J.K. Rowling (2007)

6. The Orphan's Tales: In the Night Garden, by Catherynne M. Valente (2006)

7. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, by J.K. Rowling (2000)

    The Name of the Wind, by Patrick Rothfuss (2007)

9. Perdido Street Station, by China Mieville (2000)

10. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, by J.K. Rowling (2005)

11. Diplomatic Immunity, by Lois McMaster Bujold (2002)

     Oryx and Crake, by Margaret Atwood (2003)

13. Anathem, by Neal Stephenson (2008)

     Farthing, by Jo Walton (2006)

     A Feast for Crows, by George R.R. Martin (2005)

     The Wizard, by Gene Wolfe (2004)

17. Camouflage, by Joe Haldeman (2004)

      Passage, by Connie Willis (2001)

19. Night Watch, by Terry Pratchett (2002)

      Revelation Space, by Alastair Reynolds (2000)

21. Kushiel's Dart, by Jacqueline Carey (2001)

      Sunshine, by Robin McKinley (2003)

23. The Blade Itself, by Joe Abercrombie (2006)

      Mistborn: The Final Empire, by Brandon Sanderson (2006)

      The Prince of Nothing: The Darkness that Comes Before, by R. Scott Bakker (2003)

Subject: ** More RESULTS! **
Date Posted: 2/5/2010 12:27 AM ET
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And I noticed a lot of authors had multiple books nominated. . . enough that I suspected they were taking votes away from themselves. . . so here are the top 10 authors of the 2000s:

1. J.K. Rowling (49 points/4 titles)

2. Lois McMaster Bujold (45 points/6 titles)

3. Neil Gaiman (44.5 points/7 titles)

4. George R.R. Martin (41.5 points/only 2 titles)(He had the highest points/book average, obviously)

5. China Mieville (18.5 points/3 titles)

6. Terry Pratchett (17 points/4 titles)

7. Brandon Sanderson (15 points/3 titles)

8. Jasper Fforde (14.5 points/3 titles)

9. Gene Wolfe (14 points/2 titles)

10. Jacqueline Carey (13.5 points/3 titles)

Date Posted: 2/5/2010 12:57 AM ET
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Ahhh, missed the closing bell, but I've read at least half the works there (except I find Jordan boring and stale and refuse to read most of his works, and have skipped Rowling until the movies are done). Plagiarize, copy, steal, whatever- 13 was the worst rip-off of Blade Runner/DADOEE I've had the misfortune to read, and his cyberpunk is lame, and vastly over-rated. And, perhaps thats why I give it such low marks, as I was told it was worthwhile and discovered it was a waste. Luckily, I got the books for free from the publisher's booth at Comic-Con and sent them on their merry way here on PBSwap :)

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Just because a book has a bounty hunter protagonist doesn't make it a rip-off of Blade Runner.