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Subject: Pamphets and Booklets Question
Date Posted: 2/17/2009 4:22 AM ET
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First, I must say that I did check the help docs in reference to the eligibility of Pamphlets/Booklets. It says:

Pamphlets/Booklets/leaflets without ISBNs: NO

  • These sometimes contain advertising; members also complain at having to pay a credit for these.
  • Leaflets = non-children's books with less than 20 pages
  • Booklets = non-children's books with less than 50 pages
  • Leaflet/pamphlets/booklets with ISBNs may be posted
    • if so, the number of pages must be included in the item description.
  • Children's books do not count as booklets or leaflets, even if they are short. 
    • Children's books can be expected to have short pagelengths and the booklet/leaflet designations do not apply.

The "book" in question, "Jiffy Mixes Recipes--Hospitality in a Jiffy" does not have an ISBN, but the member who posted it claims it does, and entered a 6 digit ISBN. I know that this is false, because sitting beside me is the very pamphlet someone might pay a credit for, when they could go directly to Jiffy's website and get the pamphlet sent to them for free. No shipping/no handling/not one cent out of pocket/no obligations, etc, etc.

I think I might've broken rules, too, because I tagged it as a free pamphlet from Jiffy's website.

What else, if anything, can be done to get this free pamphet removed?

I collect cookbooks, and if I hadn't known that this was a free pamphlet, I might have ordered it and I'd be very unhappy when I received it. (It seriously looks like it could've been a newspaper insert/advertisement with Jiffy recipes.) 

I just want to be proactive and avoid someone else's RWAP situation.

(This is intentionally being posted in both Club Members Thoughts and Questions About PBS.)

Date Posted: 2/17/2009 6:19 AM ET
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I can't help you exactly to tell you that from what I'm thinking they entered it as a book without an ISBN and the system generated an unique ISBN for it--that's what the 5 or 6 digit ISBN is.

 

I also think that at this point until you get further help, tagging it the way you did is perfectly fine.

Date Posted: 2/17/2009 7:05 AM ET
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In the Questions about PBS forum, there's a sticky at the top called "Report Suspicious Items."  That's exactly what it's for--to report items that have been posted that are outside the guidelines.  If you copy your description and give the ISBN, it looks like TPTB will look into it.

Date Posted: 2/17/2009 7:06 AM ET
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oops--duplicate post



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Date Posted: 2/17/2009 9:29 AM ET
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Yeah this sounds like somethign that shouldn't be posted. I would do what Victoria said and report it to the suspicious items thread.

Date Posted: 2/17/2009 9:44 AM ET
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I agree with Mary. I have the exact same pamphlet (or one like it anyways) and definately NOT worth a credit! (Frankly the receipes weren't worth 2 cents anyways!) Wishing you luck and a good day.

 

Date Posted: 2/17/2009 10:00 AM ET
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I"m guessing it also has advertising in it? Cookbooks with advertising for the publishing company are not allowed here because they can't be shipped media rate.

Date Posted: 2/17/2009 5:36 PM ET
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Thank you all!

I found the "Report Suspiciou Items Thread" (I don't know how I missed it before I started this thread.)

The "cookbooks" I found were all magazines or pamphlets that you could go to the product manufacturer's website and order for free, no strings attached. Calling them a cookbook is a bit of a joke, as they are basically ads for the product, ie Jiffy mixes, but disguised as recipes which require the use of a Jiffy product.

In my copy, there is an ad for Jiffy on every few pages.

Many of the pamphlets I wouldn't mind having, but I felt that posting them for a credit was a bit decietful, as they are not genuine cookbooks and I would be paying a credit for something I could go also get for free.

Sandra (dru) -
Date Posted: 2/17/2009 5:41 PM ET
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The thIng about those booklets is, if they are over 50 pages with no ISBN they can be posted with the 5 digit ISBN.

Date Posted: 2/17/2009 5:44 PM ET
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The key question to the validity of these is whether or not they have 50 pgs. They don't have to have an ISBN if they have 50 pgs, and are a valid item. Whether you can get them free or not is not relavent -

Under 50 pages - MUST have a valid 10/13 digit ISBN (And if it doesn't, marking it with the tags as an invalid item is perfectly fine)

Over 50 pages - Doesn't have to have an ISBN

(an ad for Jiffy in a Jiffy cookbook is not what the PO considers advertising. It says something about an advertisement for itself not counting)

Date Posted: 2/17/2009 6:46 PM ET
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Well, the pamphlets I flagged clearly do not have an ISBN. And the PBS rule on this (found in the help docs) clearly states:

Pamphlets/Booklets/leaflets without ISBNs: NO

  • These sometimes contain advertising; members also complain at having to pay a credit for these.

A pamphlet/booklet WITHOUT an ISBN is unpostable. The reason being: These sometimes contain advertising; members also complain at having to pay a credit for these.

Additionally, and perhaps I was not clear in my OP, much of what I found can also be considered a magazine. (They are the 5"x6" sized magazines, often found at the checkout of grocery stores, but instead of articles they are stricktly a recipe magazine.) Per the help docs: http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/search.php?terms=magazine

Magazines: NO

  • These often contain advertising and cannot be sent MediaMail; even if not, the category is banned from PBS.

 

Sandra (dru) -
Date Posted: 2/17/2009 6:52 PM ET
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This is the defintion of leaflets and booklets from the HC..

  • Leaflets = non-children's books with less than 20 pages
  • Booklets = non-children's books with less than 50 pages
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    Date Posted: 2/17/2009 7:01 PM ET
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    <<an ad for Jiffy in a Jiffy cookbook is not what the PO considers advertising. It says something about an advertisement for itself not counting>>

    Actually, this isn't quite accurate.  The USPS site states that "Media Mail can not contain advertising except for incidental announcements of books.", which makes sense -- it would be reasonable for a book to advertise "be sure and check out book XYZ by this same author".  Advertising for Jiffy is a food product, not a book, so it doesn't qualify for Media Mail.

    So, as others have stated, report it under the suspicious items thread and state why -- it contains advertising for Jiffy.  The page number/ISBN issue becomes irrelevant, since it can't be sent Media Mail.

    Cheers,

    Catt

    Date Posted: 2/17/2009 7:02 PM ET
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    Sandra, while you are correct, but many of what I found also fall under the category of Magazine (as I clarified in my previous reply.)

    Per the help docs:

    Magazines: NO

    • These often contain advertising and cannot be sent MediaMail; even if not, the category is banned from PBS