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Subject: Paranoid about posting HC book
Date Posted: 12/25/2008 6:52 AM ET
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I'm getting ready to post a heavily-wishlisted hard cover book.  It had been on my wishlist and I was happy to receive it - minus the dust cover - which as we know is fine for PBS posting.  Reading the forums, I've seen people getting RWAP for missing dust covers even when the receiver didn't have an RC.  This is making me really paranoid about posting the book without letting the recipient know about the dust cover situation.  I don't want a bogus RWAP on my record. 

Am I being stupid and overly paranoid?  If you were in this situation, would you PM the recipient before sending the book? 

Deb

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 7:06 AM ET
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I would go ahead and post it, and if you should be marked RWAP, this is your opportunity to educate someone with a PM pointing them to the section of the help center that says it's okay to be missing a dustcover.   Your PMs would be on record with PBS, and a RWAP in which the other member is clearly wrong surely would not be counted against you.

That being said, if you're really stressed out over it, you should do whatever makes you feel comfortable, and if that means PMing, go ahead.  Be sure to give a deadline, saying "if I don't hear from you by (date and time) I'll assume the book is okay and mail it."  That way you're not waiting past the mailing deadline.  If the first member doesn't want it, the next one probably will.  (And of course, you should cancel so the other person doesn't lose their place in line.)  Some people feel you shouldn't PM about books that are okay by PBS standards, but if it'll make you feel better, I don't think it's wrong to do so.

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 9:16 AM ET
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I agree with Diane but to be on the safe side (and this is just me) if I were that paranoid about sending it I'd do what Diane said and PM the person first letting them know it doesn't have the dust cover and giving them say 24 or 48 hours to respond and then let them know if you don't hear from them by a certain time you'll assume it's ok to mail. In my eyes it's better to be safe then sorry, but the book would still meet PBS guidelines without the dust cover. If they don't have that pre-condition in their requesting conditions then it should be ok to send. Good luck!

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Date Posted: 12/25/2008 1:49 PM ET
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Date Posted: 12/25/2008 2:36 PM ET
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I'm a firm believer in PMs and in communication between members.  When I was faced with the same situation as you, I pm'd the requestor first.  Turns out they wanted it anyway...

If they didn't want it, I'd make the requestor cancel the transaction (depending on our FIFO situations)  If there were hundreds of copies already in the system, and I finally got mine up there, I wouldn't want to give up my place in sendout line, but if situation was reversed and mine was only one of a couple posted copies and there were many wishers, then I'd cancel and not let them lose their WL FIFO place.

But both being equal, I'd ask that they cancel, since they'd be essentially asking for a book above and beyond regular PBS posting requirements (and if they'd had RCs in place wanting that, I could've canceled without losing my place in sendout FIFO.)

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 2:53 PM ET
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If it's WL and you're worried about the dust jacket-post it in the book bazaar.  Offer to post it directly to someone's WL who does't mind the missing dust jacket.

Personally: I would post teh book.  If the dust jacket is important to someone they should have an RC requiring one. I wouldn't PM. On the off chance that they dinged me for no dust jacket-I would point out the rules. If they didn't report the RWP as a mistake or being corrected then I would report them to PBS.  It would not go against you.  PBS would be able to see that the person had no RCS.

I don't PM.  My books are postable and if you want above and beyond that you need to have a clearly stated, easy to follow RCS or you don't get my book. 

If you do PM-you have to cancel or they lose their place in the WL line. THen you have to repost the book-it will be offered to them again.  They would have to implement some RCS about the dust jacket for you to decline in order to get to the next person. Otherwise you can't repost the book until they get offered a book from someome else. 



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Date Posted: 12/25/2008 3:49 PM ET
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If they didn't want it, I'd make the requestor cancel the transaction (depending on our FIFO situations) 

It's a WL book.  If the requestor cancels they would lose their place in line.  This is one of the reasons PMing for *postable* books when there are no RCs in place is such a headache.  If Deb cancels and reposts the book, she gets the same person.  If the requestor cancels he or she loses the #1 position.  There is no winning that situation.

If it's WL and you're worried about the dust jacket-post it in the book bazaar.  Offer to post it directly to someone's WL who does't mind the missing dust jacket.

While I, personally, think this an excellent, idea she's not supposed to do that.  It is against BB rules to offer postable (and no DJ is postable) WL books.  From the BB Rules thread:

(6) No trying to jump the Wish List "line" by offering or asking for postable Wish Listed books.  Postable Wish Listed books should be posted and swapped "officially". 

Deb, while I understand your concern I truly think it is a non-issue.  As Mary said, there would be a record of PMs in the transaction and PBS would look at that and see it was not your mistake. 

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 3:50 PM ET
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Sorry, Mary.  Didn't mean to repeat your WL/canceling info...didn't read far enough in your post. ;-)

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 4:14 PM ET
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PBS rules state it does not  need a dust jacket so post it. If they RWAP then post the rules to that person andsuggest next time they have an RC for having a dust jacket..

Sorry but PM's just cause more problems with the whole WL FIFO thing. AND it just means that the next time they request a book they will assume someone will PM over the matter.

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 5:46 PM ET
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I'm with Pam.  If the book is postable no PM is needed.  If they complain it will not reflect on you since covers are not required.  

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 6:13 PM ET
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what book is it ? I'm curious/nosey

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 7:34 PM ET
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I would post it. Whats the difference with posting this and getting an RWAP- not your fault- then someone deciding your book is not brand new and giving an RWAP-when it clearly follows the posting rules.  My point is that you can drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what people might do.

On a slightly related note-I am also curious as to the book!

 

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 8:21 PM ET
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Subject: WL book w/o dustjacket
Date Posted: 12/25/2008 9:24 PM ET
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I wouldn't PM. If the book is postable, and if they complain, direct them to the help center....if you really felt accomodating, you could copy  and paste the info for them.

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 10:17 PM ET
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I'm a firm believer in PMs and in communication between members. 

Me, too.  I have always had good experiences with PMing a person prior to mailing if I had a concern about a book.  The member always seems to appreciate knowing about whatever-it-is ahead of time. 

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 11:32 PM ET
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What happens if you PM the person and tell them it has no dust cover and then you don't hear back from them?? What do you do then?  It puts the burden of trying to figure it out on the sender, when the book is clearly within the PBS guidelines.      I am NOT a believer in PM's between traders - because I think it almost always leaves one person with the burden.    I post books that meet the guidelines and I expect that others do the same.   If so - no PM is needed.         Just my outlook on it.   I admire those of you who have the patience to Pm and PM and wait and wait.  Way to go!

Date Posted: 12/25/2008 11:48 PM ET
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Beth wrote: It's a WL book.  If the requestor cancels they would lose their place in line.  This is one of the reasons PMing for *postable* books when there are no RCs in place is such a headache. 

Absolutely. I feel the same way. Communication is all well and good, but if a book is postable by PBS guidelines and the requestor has no RCs, I simply do not see a need to PM and get caught up in a potentially sticky situation. Sometimes we make this stuff waaaaaay more complicated than we need to.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 12/26/2008 12:11 AM ET
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Yep, Cozi, I know you believe that.  I've seen lots of your posts saying no PMs.  I just wanted to add a different perspective. 

Date Posted: 12/26/2008 5:57 AM ET
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The book is Identical Strangers - A Memoir of Twins Separated and Reunited.  There are 118 waiting on wishlist for it.  The book bazaar suggestion was an interesting one, but I thought it wouldn't be fair to everyone else who's been waiting patiently for the book.

Thanks for all of your comments and support.  I am torn about it (have my shelf on vacation hold for a little longer, so I still have some time to think about it).  I am leaning toward a PM that says something like this (assuming there are no RC's on the request):

"I am preparing to send the hardcover book Identical Strangers to you, and wanted to let you know that it does not have a dust cover.  You are hopefully aware that, since you didn't have any Requestor Condition regarding dust covers, PBS rules say that this book is OK to send to you.  There are many people wishing for this book, so you would have no problem getting a credit for it once you have finished reading it.  If the missing dust cover really bothers you, please add a Requestor Condition to your profile about hard cover books and dust covers, and reply to this message.  I will cancel the transaction and you will be returned back to your place in the wish list line.  If I don't hear back from you by x date and time I will assume it is OK to send this book without the dust cover."

This way, if they don't reply to the PM, I have at least made sure (in my mind anyway) that they are aware of the no-dust-jacket-required rule.

Deb

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Date Posted: 12/26/2008 9:35 AM ET
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I would just send the book unless there was an RC for DJs. No PM. The biggest problem for me with PMing, once you do so members that have received a PM then expect them.

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Date Posted: 12/26/2008 11:41 AM ET
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Date Posted: 12/26/2008 11:54 AM ET
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I would not send the PM either.  I dislike the expectations gap it creates.  If they wanted the dust jacket they should have had an RC in place.  We shouldn't set up the expectation that books that are postable under PBS guidelines require PMs.  It just creates more confusion.

Date Posted: 12/26/2008 10:25 PM ET
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I actually still have a RWP in my transaction archive from 18 months ago..... a member dinged me because I didn't send a dust jacket.  She didn't have an RC asking for one.  I quoted the relevant help section about the dust jackets not being required, but she still wasn't happy.  I gave her the credit back because it just wasn't worth the headache.  And still I have a RWP in my archive.


So I completely understand the OP and their dilemma. Some people just don't get it no matter what you do.........

 

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Date Posted: 12/27/2008 12:42 AM ET
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Date Posted: 12/27/2008 7:37 AM ET
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I actually still have a RWP in my transaction archive from 18 months ago..... a member dinged me because I didn't send a dust jacket.

Lots of good feedback for and against sending the PM.  The above is exactly what I'm trying to avoid.  Sorry this happened to you, Terri!  A question for you - if you were to post another HC without a dust cover, would your experience make you to send a PM to the requestor?

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