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Hey all my fellow paranormal book fiends, I mean friends.
PBS has a new feature called the Book Wiki -- if you look at the page of an individual bookand scroll down to the bottom of the page,you will find it. As I understand it, this is to take the place of tags and make things more searchable. Since so many people come in here asking for books about vamps, weres, demons, etc. and we are such a well read group, I thought we could start wiki tagging the paranormal books to make them easier to search and to direct people to the books they are looking for.
The Wiki asks for
series ( ex. Anita Blake, Black Dagger Brotherhood, Demonica) and which number in the series
Original publ date ( found up above where PBS lists book details)
People/characters -- this is where I thought we could put the vampire, werewolf, demon, witch, wizard,shifter as well as the characters names ( Anita Blake, Wraith, Vishous, Kitty Norville,etc. )
Real places -
Fictional places --
awards and honors -
IMO -- the most important place to start would be the series and the people/characters - I'm not sure with our books about places -- any opinions? and important events?
I was thinking that we could each try to put in some wiki facts when we have time. We could set goals -- like we all hit a certain series this week to get it done, or fill in books as we read them?
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I also like knowing if it is paranomal romance or urban fantasy
after i finish a book, i will add a tag for paranormal romance or urban fantasy if it's one of those. i highly recommend other people do the same since the more times the same book gets the same tag added it pushes it higher in the list so people will see it when they look at the book listing. (and if it gets pushed into the 'popular tags' section, even better.) i don't think there's a spot for that in the book wiki.
of course, people don't always agree on which books are what. :) i keep seeing the Mercy Thompson books mentioned when people ask about paranormal romance, and to me those are urban fantasy, not romance.
But my question is -- on the wiki part, where do you think that tag should go? Under characters, or maybe under important events?
edited to add -- ok I submitted a question to the PBS team on where we should put those tags on the Wiki part. We'll see what they say. It would be nice if they had a genre section too.
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I think the big difference -- to me anyway -- Paranormal Romances is where each book focuses on the relationship of a different couple -- like The Dark Hunter Series, The Argeneau Vamps series and the book is more about the relationship between the two main characters and their love/bond/etc , where Urban Fantasy is based on one main character and how that changes over time -- like the Sookie Stackhouse series, The Mercy Briggs series, Riley Jensen, Anna Strong, Dresden Files -- there may be a love interest for the main character, but it develops over time as well .
I didn't know what that stuff on the bottom was all about! lol! Thanks for pointing that out RAchel..I'll try to do some when I get a chance. LIke tonight since I had to bail on girl's night out since I'm not getting paid :(
I know I always tell people UF is character driven while paranormal romance is relationship driven. And I agree there is a HUGE difference to me as well. I really cannot stand most romance books and get so annoyed when I pick up a book when I was told it was paranormal or UF when it is actually a romance.
BTW...I just did Bloodfever to try it out. I didn't see a good place to add if it is UF or not...but ended up deciding on the 'ficitonal place' field since it is really the only place w/ free text. What do you all think?
Just to weigh in here... I've noticed that a lot of women who write automatically get placed in the romance category or paranormal romance category just because they are women writers. I'm really not talking about here (although I've seen that here too) but all over. This is why I've missed so many of these series, because I don't spend time in the romance section of the bookstore.
In other words, I'm glad to see this distinction and would like to see more of it. Some of these writers who just happen to be women, kick ass when it comes to paranormal/Urban fantasy type books. Would just like to see them get the attention they deserve. :)
In the Characters field -- one thing I have noticed about the tags is that some people will put Vampires, some Vampire, some Vamps, some Vamp -- which don't all cross reference -- How about we establish some common names?
Vampire - for vampires, vamps, vamp
Demon - for Demons --
Shifter - all other shape shifters-- and then add Werewolf as a sub class?
Fae - for Fairies, Fairy, ( any one think of others?)
what other ones?
I put it where the name goes, in place of a name, then put Major Character, Minor Character, etc.
So for example
Anita Blake Major Character
Necromancer Major Character
Bill Compton Major Character
Vampire Major Character
So we could search Necromancer, and find all books tagged with Necromancer and then see if they are major or minor parts of the book, or search for all Anita Blake books.
Seem logical? I don't see where else we could put it.
But shouldn't we edit the book data for UF vs PR? Go to the book page and select more options - edit book data. Then you can add or change the genre selection. Romance - fantasy vs SciFi - Fantasy - contempory. It will take a while to be updated as a volunteer needs to review it. And there is space to put both catagories. That is how the banner display on the front page is selected.
This setting on the book page locates where the book fits in the whole site search engine. It sets up the banners of newly available books when you enter the front page. It is how the search by genre under the search button decides which books to show. It is a big deal in the standard searches.
When you are on a book page, it is the genre index on the bottom of the page. Books can be under more than one genre. But we need to watch that they are at least listed in the correct one.
And when we are entering data in the wiki, we should check on this and possibly update it.
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I think it's great that you all have started a mission to enhance Paranormal listings with the Book Wiki! I'll try to answer the questions that I've culled from the above posts:
"I also like knowing if it is paranomal romance or urban fantasy -- but I'm not sure where you would put that? "
Genre information is not part of the Wiki -- Emily later correctly suggests that Edit Book Data is the way to go there. Also, tags would be a secondary place for genre information that's not found in our set-in-stone genre lists. Someone mentioned that the Wiki was a replacement for tags... actually, it's like tags without the "personal" element. While it's okay for members to use tags to denote where they are on a wish list, what box they stored a book in or any number of personal bits of information that are only valuable to that member, the Wiki is only for "club-useful" information.
"after i finish a book, i will add a tag for paranormal romance or urban fantasy if it's one of those. i highly recommend other people do the same since the more times the same book gets the same tag added it pushes it higher in the list so people will see it when they look at the book listing."
Well said, Ellen. Now sing along with me: "For every feature... turn, turn, turn. There is a season... turn, turn, turn."
"I didn't see a good place to add if it is UF or not...but ended up deciding on the 'ficitonal place' field since it is really the only place w/ free text."
I know you meant well, but please don't do this. The future usefulness of the Wiki depends on keeping things correctly categorized. If it doesn't fit neatly into an existing category, it's not intended to be wiki'd.
"In the Characters field -- one thing I have noticed about the tags is that some people will put Vampires, some Vampire, some Vamps, some Vamp -- which don't all cross reference -- How about we establish some common names?"
Yes!!! That goes to the heart of what the Wiki is all about. An entry to the Wiki should be entered just as you might imagine someone looking for that type of book would enter into a search box. Entries should be a single word when possible, or a very short phrase otherwise. For example, if you entered all the variations of "Vampire" as separate entries, that would work well. But you shouldn't enter "Vampires, Vamps, Vampire, Vamp" as a single entry because it won't help anyone searching for one of those words, it would only help members searching for that exact phrase (no one).
Another thing to avoid (or replace if you see it done) is editorial entries. No reviews, opinions, suggestions, recommendations, etc. So if you see an entry like:
Vlad, imprisoned by the Turks until age 7, became known for his torturous punishments
please change it to just "Vlad" and maybe make an additional entry for "Vlad the Impaler"--both are entries that might commonly be searched for.
"I put it where the name goes, in place of a name, then put Major Character, Minor Character, etc.
Anita Blake Major Character
Necromancer Major Character
Bill Compton Major Character
Vampire Major Character"
Guiness! I mean, brilliant!! This is an excellent example of making the Wiki very searchable. BTW, the character names and their descriptions may get separated by future entries, but that's okay. We want members to find this book when searching for "Anita Blake" or "Necromancer".
"Emily -- I don't know how to do that -- I will have to check into that. Is it searchable? Like what we want to do? " (talking about genres)
Yes, the genres assigned by Edit Book Data are searchable via the Advanced Search.
Thanks again to all of you for helping to make the club a better place.
The PaperbackSwap Team
ok-- so let's pick an author and try to wiki a series
I am picking the Sookie Stack house series to start
and the characters wiki's I think we need to add -- remember to only add them if they appear in that book.
Pam ( anyone know her last name?)
Quinn ( last name?)
Claude ( last name?)
help me remember other characters that appear in several books that people might want to search for...
It looks like the main characters have been added --if anyone wants to add minor characters too that would be great. I am finding it is hard to remember which characters appear in different books, other than the main ones, so adding those as we read them might be good.
Who should we tag next -- any suggestions?
ok -- How about we do BDB next
i would like to suggest that people be careful with the series numbers in open ended series. if the series isn't over yet, it's a bad idea to add the 'of X' part. for example, BDB book one currently has 'Black Dagger Brotherhood 1 of 7'. but what happens when the next book comes out? is someone going to go back through all of the entries to fix the 'of 7' part? probably not. so i would highly suggest just leaving the 'of X' part off unless you know the series is completed - you can leave it blank while you add the # in the series.
I agree -- I noticed when I was tagging a book in the Psy-changeling series that it was that way too, but the series isn't done. Only add the of x if you know for sure the series is done. I can't think of any that off the top of my head that i know are done as an example.