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Subject: Pat Robertson...Gay Fiction?
Date Posted: 3/25/2008 1:55 PM ET
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I was recently looking for good gay fiction book to order.  To my surprize, I found Pat Robertson's book Six Steps to Spritual Revival listed under my gay fiction search.  Then, I got really angry!  It seems this book has been tagged nine times by members as a  gay fiction title.  Im sure this was done to evangelize and save us poor confused homosexuals.  No doubt, a good way to help us repent while we search for new fiction books to read.   I found this totally subversive and insulting!  I complained to "live help" about this erroneous tag.  I got in a heated discussion with her on how you dont see Religious Help or Christianity tags on gay self-acceptance books.  She referred me to the "Contact Us" tab to email my complaint.  

Just wanted to get some thoughts from you all before I Blast them mine.

Lincoln 

Date Posted: 3/25/2008 3:56 PM ET
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That sucks.  But I doubt they're going to police tags here, as ridiculous or subversive as they are. 

We should all tag that book with our own brand of "propaganda" to counter what is already there. 

Date Posted: 3/25/2008 7:47 PM ET
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And here I was hoping that Robertson was confessing his secret desires...

Not sure what the context of the discussion with the live help person was, but I would agree that using the "Contact Us" button sounds like a good idea.  I don't know what, if anything, they will do but clearly a tag that's just wrong should be removed; and one that's as ridiculous and insulting as that should be removed post-haste.

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 3/25/2008 9:21 PM ET
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Obnoxious.

Makes me want to tag every copy of the Bible with "Fairy Tale".

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 3:07 AM ET
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Never hurts to email R&R, but meanwhile, let's all re-tag it.  I just added three - homophobic, NOT gay fiction, and hateful.  If others use the same tags, and if we all add some more, we'll knock the gay fiction one out of there.

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 4:12 AM ET
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That six steps book has nine tags for GAY FICTION....so I think it will continue to pop up if people searches that topic, no matter what other tags are added.

I shot a complaint to  the 'contact us '(feedback) link today.  It might help if others complained also

Thanks,

 

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 8:13 AM ET
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Wow, that's annoying. I hope they can trace back to whoever tagged the book, and reprimand them for abusing the system.

I don't think starting a tag war is the way to go

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 11:30 AM ET
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puke.  i added some tags myself.  people will clearly see from the other tags that it is NOT gay fiction. 

ETA: That gay fiction tab could eventually drop away so I DO think it's worth it to tag it otherwise.  From the help center:

Will others be able to see my tags?

  • Maybe.  Others will see your tag on a book listing if it is one of the top-15 tags applied to that listing, or if they have also applied that tag to the book; otherwise others will not see your tag.
  • You will always see your tags in the tag list on a book, even if you are the only one who has tagged the book that way.


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Date Posted: 3/26/2008 11:57 AM ET
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I don't know what the conversation was with the live help person, but as  a tour guide, we don't have any ability to modify anyone else's tags.  Contacting R&R was the best bet, but I don't know that they will change them either as they have said that they are allowing all uses...

I would do as Jessie suggested and re-tag the book.  One thing to remember with tagging is that even if the book already has a tag of Not gay fiction, the more people that add that specific tag, the more weight is given to it.

Off to re-tag that book...

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 1:26 PM ET
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In a bizarre way having it tagged like that is not such a bad thing....could keep people away from it, KWIM?

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 9:36 PM ET
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Date Posted: 3/26/2008 9:52 PM ET
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Much as I dislike Robertson, I would suggest useful tags like "Christian" or "Christian Interest" or something like that.  I think that will be more useful than tagging "not gay fiction."

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 10:15 PM ET
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You all are right.  Just got the response from the Librarian who says they will not remove the tag.  She suggests us all  of us to tag and re-tag the book with as many tags as you want and everyone to also click those tags.

Still sounds like a stupid tag war to me, but I guess thats how it works here.

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 10:43 PM ET
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Could be a tag war, but it is the only book I saw tagged as gay fiction that is not actually gay fiction.  So it's entirely possible that it was just a mistake or a single individual doing something stupid.

Sharon C. (Mamu) - ,
Date Posted: 3/26/2008 10:53 PM ET
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I'm kinda confused, Lincoln.  The tags themselves aren't "searchable" at this point.  When you run a search, the genre (or subject, for us)  is what is used for that search.  This one shows the genre or subject as "Religion or Spirituality."  (Would be nice to have a subject of "weirdo writing" but that isn't gonna happen either.) 

Anyway, how did you get to this one?   I do see that it is tagged "gay fiction," but that shouldn't have come up in a search.  Maybe you hit the "gay fiction" tag?  And found all the ones that have been tagged with that?

I do agree that the most  efficient way to neutralize the reference is to dilute it within other tags.  Looks like a fair number of people have already done just that. 

Date Posted: 4/2/2008 11:23 AM ET
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I'm not sure "Christian" is enough. How about "fundamentalist" or "hate-monger"?

Off to do some tagging...

ETA: Good job on the Spiritual Revival tagging. Y'all got rid of the original tag. BUT whoever started that also tagged some other Robertson. Use "Pat Robertson" as your search string, and a few others will come up. I tagged a couple, left the "port smut filth" one alone as kind of appropriate.

 



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Date Posted: 4/3/2008 2:23 AM ET
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How about "fundamentalist" or "hate-monger"?

Isn't that doing pretty much the same thing as what we were upset about to begin with?  I think anyone who likes him is seriously misguided but I don't think we will change any minds by tagging his books evil or hate-mongerer.  Your signature line seems appropriate here: ... I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. " - Edith Cavell

 

Date Posted: 4/3/2008 1:57 PM ET
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I guess my thought was that while I've met inclusive Christians, I've never met a fundamentalist who didn't think I was going to hell for being a homosexual.

I'm over being angry or hurt or bitter about the likes of him, but while I agree that calling him "evil" is extreme, I also feel compelled to speak truth, and to give a heads up to those who may be directed to his books.

 

Date Posted: 4/3/2008 3:12 PM ET
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Adding my tags...

Date Posted: 4/3/2008 3:53 PM ET
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Just to make it, I see nothing wrong with a "fundamentalist" tag.  it seems both accurate and fair.  It was just the "hate mongerer" that I thought might be a tad inflammatory.  Not that I disagree with the assessment, just that I didn't think it wise to put it in a tag.



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