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Subject: Paula Deen
Date Posted: 6/21/2013 6:56 PM ET
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What is up with this Paula Deen issue? I have mixed thoughts.

Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 6/21/2013 8:31 PM ET
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I don't think she's a racist, I think it's something that sometimes comes with being an older southern person. It was part of the language back in the day and some of them can't completely lose it. Like when I call something stupid, retarded or something lame, gay. That's just the words we used when I was growing up and just because society decided that isn't correct anymore doesn't mean that part of my brain doesn't pop it's head up once in awhile. Especially among anyone I knew from that time.

I recently got a new neighbor next door, an older white man from Arkansas. I took him some mail that had been delivered to me by mistake and he asked me to come in so I did and he was talking about old movies (like Tom Mix and older westerns, this is an old guy) and he seemed like a fine enough dude. Then somehow he thought of Oprah and said out of the blue that he hated her and they should take all her money away and give it to a white man like it belongs. Ooookay. Gee, did I leave my front door open? I better go check......You never know, maybe she is as racist as an old Arkansan western lover and has kept it hidden until it popped up. I doubt it though.

Date Posted: 6/24/2013 8:05 AM ET
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There is a long thread in CMT forum about this....

I'm not a fan---she overdoes that southern good ol' girl thing, IMO and I grew up in deep south---but I am not convinced she is racist, nor that she deserves all that's being said.

Her remarks were years ago, and were bad even then, but given her age and upbringing, it's not unusual. I know many people who used the word, but were still totally decent and good in their dealings with the people.

As Sheila said (we agree!!) sometimes words become habitual, then their meaning changes. They still can pop out even though you know you should not say it.

There's a phrase I sometimes think is true, something about how northerners love the race but hate the individual , and southerners hate the race but love the individual. Love and hate are probably too strong, but I understand the thought, I think.

More could come out in the upcoming legal events, but right now I think she's been done wrong.



Last Edited on: 6/24/13 8:06 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 9/28/2013 11:07 AM ET
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oh im late for this discussion, haha but since no one has mentioned a big part of the media firestorm... It wasn't just that she has used and still used the word at the time of the 'controversy', it was that alot of people found her remarks on wanting a civial war themed wedding party were black servers were costumed in matching slave outfits, racist. Also she was being sued for an inappropriate racial and sexist atmosphere (currently not 15, 30 whatever amount of years ago) in her restaurants.

Now I don't agree that saying the n-word, or any racial slur is ever appropropriate, I know some people are so used to it, it doesnt really bother them. Kudos. And that a pass is given to older generations. But if you know a word hurts someone, whether it pops out or not, doesnt it feel bad to hurt someone for no reason? Just saying, we all know the history of that word and other epithets, and while I may not get offended that you used it in my presence if I do why am I the wrong one? It doesnt make sense. If you step on my toe on accident, do I still not deserve an apology? You didnt mean to hurt me, but to ignore the pain you caused isn't right. The younger generation may not be as 'stung' so to speak by the term as a man born in the 50's who dealt with being treated as a second class or worse citizen, but those older people who dealt with such overwhelming racial odds are still around too. Those elders also deserve some respect.

So although I do find issue of using the that word in a day an age where it can still hurt, it wasnt just a word she used that upset people. It was the allegations and the fact that she admitted to using the slur currently and the remarks about the wedding. I never read an article about her 'only using it one time, and it was only after being held up anyway' (which may have happened) I only read about her current transgressions and the allegations made against her and her restaurants. I think the 'one time only' was a defense made for her by fans who may not have heard the actual reasoning behind why she was being called racist. Again not denying the story, but thats not the one that got fanned by the media.



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Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 9/30/2013 9:06 PM ET
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That hostile environment thing was totally bogus and the lady dropped it when she was told she could be counter-sued. She is a white woman for cripes sake. And that wedding was not racist. It wasn't slave outfits, it was white tuxedos.
Stop believing everything you hear on the internet.

Date Posted: 10/3/2013 10:33 AM ET
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Why can't a white women be upset for being in a racial discriminating enviroment? If a man observes sexist behavior towards his female co workers I would hope he would be upset as well! And her claim to a hostile work environment wasn't just about racism, it was also hostile due sexism in the work place. (It wasnt bogus) Which by the way those claims are still pending, while they are possibly working on a settlement her other allegations. Now while I know you think I just believe anything I read online, and so you probably wont click much less read this link... here ya go: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/showbiz/paula-deen-lawsuit/index.html

 

And also since you think my powers of discerning truth from fiction online are not the best.... just google search 'paula deen slave disposition' to see for yourself the many sources covering the case and her disposition in which she compares matching white tuxedos to slave attire.  Or look through the disposition, if you dont want to look at a news source http://www.scribd.com/doc/148813272/Transcript-of-the-Testimony-of-Paula-Deen-Date-May-17-2013

 

Also don't know if you trust any of the news outlets on the first google search page but... : https://www.google.com/search?q=paula+deen+dispostion+slav&rlz=1C1CHJX_enUS460US460&oq=paula+deen+dispostion+slav&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.5659j0&sourceid=chrome&espvd=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=93&q=paula+deen+deposition+slave

 

Now whether you personally find the wedding she was referring to racist, whatever. Honestly I wonder why anyone likes glorfying the power structure during the legal enslavement of Africans and thos eof African descent in this country. But I dont have to wonder when I hear/see comments about it. Also just so you know, racism isnt just about hate. You can be racist and 'love' people of all races, heres another link... its wikipedia so you may not 'trust' it, but you can also do a dictionary search on your own time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism



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Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 10/5/2013 2:19 PM ET
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I read the deposition, I take my facts from her actual words. No other sources trump that. A district judge found there was no hostile environment, but maybe you know better than a judge who heard the stories in person does from what you read online.

The charges are not still pending, they have been dropped. They have reached a settlement which does not include any mney exchange. They did that awhile ago.
 


From August  (CNN) -- Celebrity chef Paula Deen, who lost endorsements and a national cooking show after she admitted using a racial slur in the past, on Friday welcomed the resolution of a lawsuit by a former employee who leveled accusations of racism and sexual harassment.

The federal lawsuit will be dismissed by agreement, according to a court filing. It was not immediately clear whether there was a settlement, but a description on a federal court website labeled the filing as a "settlement agreement."

A federal judge in Georgia had not signed off on the agreement, according to the filing.

The proceedings will be dismissed "with prejudice," meaning the lawsuit cannot be filed again. The parties agreed the dismissal would be "without any award of costs or fees to any party," according to the posting.

Earlier this month, U.S. District Judge William T. Moore Jr. in Savannah dismissed a portion of the lawsuit that contended former employee Lisa Jackson was a victim of racial discrimination...
Other aspects of the lawsuit, including sexual harassment and abusive treatment, were still pending until Friday's agreed order of dismissal.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/showbiz/paula-deen-lawsuit/index.html Same article, you just didn't read all the words.

 

 



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Date Posted: 10/6/2013 12:41 AM ET
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I meant to say were/was instead of are (thought I edited it, but whatever), but my point was that the lawsuit was about more than just her one time usage of the n word, or even just that she created a hostile environment due to race. It was about sexism too.

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Other aspects of the lawsuit, including sexual harassment and abusive treatment,'

And you can assume what you want about whether I think I know more than a judge what her punishment should  or shouldnt be... That has nothing to do with why she was under fire in the first place. The wedding was mentioned in her disposition, along with the race of the servers and the accuracy of 'servants' (slaves) of its 'era'. You don't have to believe what I or other news networks say, you can believe the disposition. 

Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 10/8/2013 11:35 PM ET
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I do believe the deposition, it's almost the only thing about the case I have read. Other that court updates that's it. I don't do tabloid blurbs. Paula doesn't say she ever said any of those things in the deposition or any tape I've seen, just that she may have and can't guarantee she hasn't. She doesn't have any memory of saying them, except for the time the guy robbed her. It does have EVERYTHING to do with what the judge said as opposed to what the initial charges were. Anyone can say anything, and they often do against rich people. I can file papers swearing she painted my ass purple and called me Greta but if it gets thrown out that doesn't give my allegations any base. You just can't believe that because someone brought charges they are telling the truth. It is absolutely important that the judge threw out the allegations. He found no truth in them. She was trying to extort money, plain and simple. And foolish people are buying into it. Did you read what the plaintiff actually said? She recanted her initial story and admitted she overheard stuff (and not the same stuff she initially said) from the other room. She wasn't even in the room, she did not see who the remarks (if there even were any) were directed at or who heard them. This was a good part of why it was thrown out. You cannot claim offense at something you eavesdropped. I don't knowm where you have seen tuxedo clad slaves, because it's tuxedos she mentions in the deposition.

I have been the plaintiff in a lawsuit, it is standard form to pile on as many charges as you can. You have to make it sound as bad as you can. The defense does the same to you. Anyway, the lady's allegations were all found to be bull. Doesn't matter how many labels you want to put them on. Now Paula's brother Bubba who runs a different restaurant has long been known to be a sexist, racist pig. If someone brought charges up against him then I would believe it. If this chick had half a brain she would have gotten a job with Bubba, she might have gotten away with it.

I don't have anything new to add beyond that, it's silly to argue about. You are gonna believe what you want even if the evidence says otherwise.

Date Posted: 10/9/2013 1:41 PM ET
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I really have no clue why you seem to assume so much about my unstated opinoins, rather than what I actually said.  I never said anything about the judge or whether the accusations of the plaintiff, I pointed out that the reason why this was news and what was being said about the case. I also stated how using the N word is hurtful and why some people are upset about (again, that was not the only reason for the animosity towards Paula Deen) And I stated what Paula Deen said in her dispostion.  " I don't knowm where you have seen tuxedo clad slaves, because it's tuxedos she mentions in the deposition." exactly she mentions this in the dispostion.  You think and others who read this in the disposition are fools... ? whatever be angry, and feel better than every one else- your going to anyway. I however dont feel the need to try to make assumptions on opinions you never mention (seriously where did you read about me thinking I 'know better' than the judge? Or that I disagree ? If i did think Paula Deen is racist/inappropriate that does not mean I think she did anything illegal), or on whether you are willing to see more than just one aspect of a case. When I read more about a case, a person, or see their videos apologizing for their actions, I get a larger picture overall. If you can't/wont see anything wrong with some of her actions after reading the disposition and the plaintifs accounts, so be it. You dont have too. But dont make things up about other people when you talk so negatively about tabloids doing the same thing. It looks foolish, and narrowminded when you do.

Barb S. (okbye) - ,
Date Posted: 10/15/2013 12:32 AM ET
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Your reply just doesn't make sense.