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Subject: People Posting ARC's
Date Posted: 6/24/2013 4:50 PM ET
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For the 3rd time I have had someone today post a book, this one was not scheduled to be published until Jan '14, to me. 

1st time, after I had accepted the offer, they PM me and told me it was an ARC and not scheduled to be published for 6 months.  

Second time they actually shipped me the ARC since I had it on auto request.

and today, after I questioned if the book was an ARC, they told me they were posting books to their wish list, and posted the book by accident.  

We all know that there are confirmation screens asking if you can actually post the book, so my question to the board is, Should I report the poster?   I would be interested in hearing if others are having similar experiences and opinions as to my next step.  This is a member since 2009, so not new to PBS.

Date Posted: 6/24/2013 4:57 PM ET
Member Since: 7/19/2008
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Well, PBS already counts the fact that they posted a WL book and then did not send it. 

PBS does not let us know what percentage would trigger a review.  As you would have PMed from the order detail page, PBS has the record in their archive for that member.

My theory is that PBS knows we make mistakes.  But a pattern?  They do watch.

If an ARC is received, please do use the Received With A Problem, wrong version. 

Date Posted: 6/24/2013 5:04 PM ET
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I wouldn't report it. Unless more than one incident was the same person. This last person said they posted the book by accident. There is no particular reason for you to think that might not be true.

I also WL a lot of not-yet-published books and have not had an ARC problem. (I am #1 on many of them).

It just seems like a run of bad luck to me. Make sure that the poster of the book is cancelling the orders so that you do not get bumped off the Wish List, and if you get one from auto-accept, make sure you RWAP it fast!

But, in general, I think the system will take care of it. If they keep doing this, they will get RWAP's and eventually someone will review their accounts.

But if you have the same problem with the same person .. .then I would definitely report it.

You could also let people know, if they are posting ARCs to you, that they should never post them to their bookshelf, but instead, should offer them in the Book Bazaar where people can opt to pick them on purpose.



Last Edited on: 6/24/13 5:05 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/24/2013 6:43 PM ET
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Yes to the Book Bazaar. A new ARC cannot be posted, but will be in high demand in the BB. May they all go there and stop teasing you.
Date Posted: 6/25/2013 2:45 AM ET
Member Since: 1/23/2009
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Please do not think that every time a person posts a book before its release date that you'll be receiving an ARC. There are quite a few members here that are bloggers (myself included) and often get the finished book from the publisher instead of an ARC. For example, I currently have a copy of a hardcover book that won't be released until July 9th.

There was one time I was #1 for a book, and the sender posted it long before its release date. The book arrived, and it was a hardcover. I knew she was a blogger, and I was grateful she read and posted the book so early.

I did receive an ARC once from someone; it was for a book that has been out for a long time but isn't posted very often. I marked it RWAP, sent her a PM plus a link to the picture in case there were any problems, and she refunded the credit. Didn't apologize or try to make up excuses, but at least I got my credit back.

Date Posted: 6/25/2013 7:51 AM ET
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Jennifer....thanks for posting. Something I had not heard of before.
Date Posted: 6/25/2013 9:44 AM ET
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I once had a book posted to me before the scheduled release date.  I PM'd the sender and asked about it, because that had never happened to me before.  Turns out she had been traveling in Europe, and the book had already been released there. She bought it in Europe, read it, and posted it once she got home. So I received a totally legit non-ARC copy a month or two before the book was released in the US. Incidentally, she was just as surprised as I was, because neither of us had ever had that happen.

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 6/25/2013 10:17 AM ET
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David -- I had 3 WL books posted to me yesterday by the same person at the same time. I'm #1 on the wish list for them and they're all due to come out in the fall. I figured it was a mistake, and sure enough they were all canceled a little later with the person saying she meant to add them to her WL instead of her bookshelf.

I think she probably used the "post a file of ISBNs" feature on the Post Books page instead of using the "book list import bookmark" to add them to her WL.

I bet you ran into the same person. According to my Transaction Archive, her last initial is H and she lives in FL.

Date Posted: 6/25/2013 1:02 PM ET
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Cathy....You made my day, it is the same person.  I also like your comment on post a file.   It makes sense.   Her response when she cancelled the request had made me pretty sure that something had happened and that she definately was not trying to post an ARC.   Your post has taken me from pretty sure to certain.   This has been quite educational for me, and maybe for others.

Date Posted: 6/26/2013 7:38 AM ET
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I have been offered books before publication date and learned to contact the sender to verify that it was not an ARC after receiving several posted before the published date. I worried about one because I did not receive a response, saw the book was mailed and waited in dread for it to arrive. It was perfectly legit, the sender was an employee at the publisher of the book and I relaxed as soon as I saw that I was actually receiving the book from the publisher.

Date Posted: 6/26/2013 12:49 PM ET
Member Since: 8/16/2007
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Turns out she had been traveling in Europe, and the book had already been released there. She bought it in Europe, read it, and posted it once she got home. So I received a totally legit non-ARC copy a month or two before the book was released in the US. Incidentally, she was just as surprised as I was, because neither of us had ever had that happen.

This is very unusual since the Europe version usually has a different ISBN as the US edition. Lots of RWAPs stem from people posting the Europe version to the US ISBN because the Europe isn't automatically added to the database since it isn't in the US database sources that PBS uses.