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Subject: Do people really give away credits?
Date Posted: 12/22/2010 1:21 AM ET
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I am very new, however I know there is an option for giving away credits. Why would people do that, and where do I sign up? I would love, love, love credits! I am easily getting addicted to this site, and I was seriously wondering what this option was all about. Any insight (or free credits) appreciated.

 

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 1:31 AM ET
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Welcome to PBS Nancy!

Members are allowed to sell up to 50 of their credits each month. The seller would use the give credits button the send the credits to the buyer.

We have a games forum here, and they require you put a "down payment" of a credit to the hostess of the game. When the book you mailed for the game is received by the sender, your credit is returned

Some members may just give credits away for free as a RAOK (random act of kindness), but there is usually a reason for it.

Many members here will lend other members credits if the are really low.

ETA When I said sometimes credits were given as RAOK, I meant for legitimate reasons. A year or so ago a member's house burnt down to the ground. They lost everything single thing they owned. Some of us gave the member a credit or two so she could get a book or two. When I said "usually a reason for it" I meant a really good reason :) She didn't ask for the credits. That's what made it a Random Act of Kindness



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Date Posted: 12/22/2010 1:46 AM ET
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Thanks for the information. I would like to learn more about buying credits from others. Also, I would like to find anyone willing to do a RAOK!! Tell me more about the buying credits from others system. Thanks so much fore helping me understand!

Also, is it taboo to actually follow their dirctions for wrapping books? I have been using the two sheets of paper and sending then on their way. Am I doing it wrong? I reinforce with packing tape. I followed their instructions to the tee.

Serioulsy, anyone wanting to find a christmas present for me? I would love a credit!!! :-)

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 1:58 AM ET
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Tell me more about the buying credits from others system.

If you look in the bazaar forum, you will see threads with people selling credits. Prices and payment vary from person to person. Most people use paypal for payment, but some will accept checks, money orders, and I know one person does Amazon gift cards. I don't know if anyone takes cash.

Also, is it taboo to actually follow their dirctions for wrapping books?

Not taboo at all. I think most members do it this way. As long as you make sure it's taped well (especially around the corners) your fine. Every now and then you may get an RC (Requester Condition) saying they want the book wrapped in a layer of plastic also. You can either accept or decline these (a little box will pop up with the accept / decline option) Just know if you accept the RC and don't follow through with it, the receiver has the right to mark it RWAP (Received with a Problem).

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 2:02 AM ET
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As Jolene said- many member sell credits.  The most common form of payment is PayPal, although some members take amazon giftcards.  The most common way is that the people who have credits to sell post an offer in the Book Bazaar. (the only place to do so)  They say how much they are selling for.  If a member wishes to buy credits, they pm the seller for the paypal address and say how many they want to buy.

For instance-  I am currently selling credits  I am selling them for $2.85 each or 4 for $11.  If you wanted to purchase, you would email me and tell me how many.  I would send you my paypal address.  Once I receive the payment I would use the "give credit" to send you however many you ordered.

Some people sell for less than I do, others more.  But we all sell for less than buying them from the kiosk ($3.49 a credit), so you are getting a bargain.

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 2:06 AM ET
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Following the instructions for wrapping is fine as long as you use packaging tape and not scotch tape.  Also, if you prewrap in a plastic bag you protect it from getting wet.  I also tape over the address to prevent it from smearing.

 

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 2:09 AM ET
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Very good point on taping over the address Adrienne!

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 2:43 AM ET
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Your best bet is to beef up your shelf, get some WL books and post them, offer some deals in the Book Bazaar etc ... earn credits and then you can spend credits.  cheeky



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Date Posted: 12/22/2010 2:57 AM ET
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Most of us earn our credits so we don't really give them away freely on a regular basis.

This is important to remember when asking for credits. Someone had to either

1) buy the credit

or

2) Pay to mail a book out to get the credit

After the first 1 or 2 free credits the site gives you for listing your first 10 books, there is no such thing as a free credit. You weren't here for it Nancy, but about a month ago someone posted a thread saying people should just give their extra credits to members who were low on credits or new people. It got a lot of heated responses that IMO were justifiable. We are a close community and try to help each other out, but keep in mind when you ask for free credits you're basically asking for free money.

if you're seeing a bunch of ????, that's not normal. There is a glitch in the system somewhere. Just so you know :)

 



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Date Posted: 12/22/2010 3:10 AM ET
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I was always short on credits during my first year. After that, I basically got the idea of what books are desired and which sat. So when I see books that I know are wanted at garage sales or library sales, I'll buy them to post. I won't spend more than 50 cents at a sale, or a dollar at the library. (Library sales go directly to buying more library books, so I see that as spending it on myself.)

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 3:28 AM ET
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FYI, while credits are sometimes given away, asking for free credits from other members is not permitted. We've had a few instances of people really take advantage of the generosity of other members and the owners seem to be really cracking down on this sort of activity. I just wanted to give you a heads up since you are new. Here are some snippets from the rules thread in the book bazaar:

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  • Requests to "lend a credit". Members sometimes ask for credits to be lent to them. This is okay as long as members follow these rules:
  • The topic needs to be in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum and no other forum
  • The original post in the topic should specify clearly (1) how many credits are needed (maximum 6) and (2) a timeframe to repay them.
  • Any members who lend credits in response to these threads must post in the topic that they have given credits, and how many.
  • When the member who asked for a loan has gotten the credits she needs, she must edit the topic title and the original post to say "Thank you--no more replies needed!" .
  • No member should post a topic asking to borrow credits more than once per month, and can do this a maximum of 2 months in a row.  So it is okay to ask in January and again in February, but that same member cannot ask again after that until April.
  • Anyone giving credits to a member in response to this kind of topic who expects repayment should send a PM saying "I have lent you [x number of] credits - pay me back when you can".
  • Anyone giving credits to a member in response to this kind of topic who does NOT expect repayment should include in her PM "I have sent you [x number of credits] - no need to repay".
  • These credit loan topics may not appear anywhere but Book Bazaar. The original poster may bump the topic if she needs to only once.

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(7) Rules regarding posts asking for "credit loans"

NOTE: asking for credit GIFTS is strictly prohibited.? Asking for LOANS must be confined to Book Bazaar and follow the rules below:

  • The original post in the topic should specify clearly (1) how many credits are needed (maximum 4) and (2) a timeframe to repay them.
  • Any members who lend credits in response to these threads must post in the topic that they have given credits, and how many.?
  • When the member who asked for a loan has gotten the credits she needs, she must edit the topic title and the original post to say "Thank you--no more replies needed!" .
  • No member should post a topic asking to borrow credits more than once per month, and can do this a maximum of 2 months in a row. So it is okay to ask in January and again in February, but that same member cannot ask again until April.
  • No member may ask for credit loans before having paid back all previous loans.?
  • Anyone giving credits to a member in response to this kind of topic who expects repayment should send a PM saying "I have lent you [x number of] credits - pay me back when you can" (or state a timeframe in your message).
  • Anyone giving credits to a member in response to this kind of topic who does NOT expect repayment should include in her PM "I have sent you [x number of credits] - no need to repay".
  • These credit loan topics may not appear anywhere but Book Bazaar. The original poster may bump the topic if she needs to onlyonce - not once per day, but once ever.

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Welcome to the site!



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Date Posted: 12/22/2010 6:41 AM ET
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Be very careful wrapping the books exactly the way PBS recommends to do it.  There will be much more chance that:

1) your book will fall out of the flimsy paper wrapping and never get there

or 2) the book will become damaged (banged up, ripped)  along the way because it is not adequately wrapped and covered/protected

or 3) the book will get all wet and therefore damaged because a sheet of printer paper is not going to protect it from getting wet.

 

So. In my opinion--- *NO* you cannot wrap your books that way, unless you like giving credits and books away for free.

I am also new, and when I saw how we are supposed to wrap, I thought it was too good to be true.  I didn't even know you could even send a book in the mail only being wrapped in a flimsy piece of paper.   So I got a bunch of requests and started mailing out books like crazy.  THEN I started getting messages from members that the book never arrived, they only got the wrapper and no book, because the book fell out.  Books were getting taped up by the post office they said, and one book was even switched apparently at the PO.  (??)

 I have since bought the appropriate mailers that I should have been using from the start.  I  am embarrassed, because I should have used some common sense that coving your book with paper is NOT going to protect a book going from my house across the country, and will get to it's destination in good shape, or get there at all.  You may get lucky on some of them, but you will very likely have a good percentage that are going to have problems.

 

Take my advice, unless you want to deal with a bunch of problems and RWAPs (received with a problem) books that are basically your fault, ( IMO), wrap your books appropriately.



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Date Posted: 12/22/2010 6:49 AM ET
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I have ordered a bunch of books since I started.  I can say that the vast majority of the ones I have received are NOT wrapped in just paper.   The are in real mailers.  Many of them are waterproof mailers and take me 10 minutes to get them open.  LOL, I don't mind that at all, because then I know the book is going to be safe and in one piece inside.

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 6:59 AM ET
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Take my advice, unless you want to deal with a bunch of problems and RWAPs (received with a problem) books that are basically your fault, ( IMO), wrap your books appropriately.

Mindy I have mailed out over 250 books and over half of those were with the PBS sheets. Not one RWAP. Were you using strapping tape or scotch tape? Were they wrapped snuggly around the book? You should talk to your PO. If you were doing everything the way PBS said to do, there is no reason you should have had that many problems.

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:08 AM ET
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 I did not use enough tape.  By "enough tape" I mean 300 feet of packing tape wrapped completely around the book 50 times in every direction, LOL.  That it's so water proof by 17 layers of solid tape, that it would float down the river and not get wet, LOL.

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:12 AM ET
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Mindy if I was you, I would definitely talk to my post office. If you wrapped the ends completely and the seam where the bottom and top of the paper meet, there is no way you should have that many complaints from receivers.

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:12 AM ET
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I think the answer is if you do use paper, you need to completely cover the entire book in tape.  All surfaces, edges and corners.  I feel like if I am going to be using that much shipping tape, I might as well buy the real mailer.  It's probably cheaper.

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:17 AM ET
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I don't mummify the book. I make sure the paper is really tight around the book. I then use one strip to cover the seam, a strip on each end (enough to completely cover the corners and about an inch down the side) and a little piece to cover the receivers address.

But really it's whatever makes you feel better.  :) If you're more comfortable with bubble wrappers, then that's what you should use.

I just can't get over you having multiple complaints so soon. I know a lot of the members in the forums have sent out double what I have without any of them getting RWAPs.



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Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:25 AM ET
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It's not really that I've had that many problems in numbers, but I think 3 times in about 20 books is too high of a percentage.    At that rate, I'm going to earn a bad reputation for myself.   I appreciated the one member who clued me in first about that she got the book, but it's lucky that she did.  The wrapper was almost completely mangled and the PO had to tape it.    I bought real mailers and I feel much more confident that they are going to be received without problems.  I had to hold my breath on all the other ones I had sent though, until they came back as good.

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:27 AM ET
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We live and learn :) Hope it's all happy swapping for you from here on out :)

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:44 AM ET
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Wrapping the books in the sheet of paper like PBS instructs people to do only works with mass market paperbacks and even then some of them can be too thick to do it this way.  What I do is recycle any large enough envelopes that come in the mail.  Just make sure previous mailing address is removed or blacked out.   I think about 90 percent of the people here do the same by recycling.

 

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:51 AM ET
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Just an FYI to the OP-other forum regulars get really annoyed with people constantly asking for free credits.  It's one thing to come on and ask for 1 here and there becuase a WL offer came and a book you sent hasn't been received yet.  But really if you are out of credits you need to put your WL on hold until you earn them. 

The whole begging for free credits thing is seriously frowned upon.  Many of us have a very limited postage budget and we just plan our credits accordingly by putting WL books on hold and limiting how we spend them.  Or making other sacrifices in our life to find postage money in our budget.

 

I prefer to wrap books I send in something besides the PBS wrapper.  But I do use the PBS wrapper if I don't have anything else on hand.  I don't think the wrapper should be used on anthing but a mass market paperback. 

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 7:53 AM ET
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Also you dont' have to refund a credit if the PO messes up your book.  That's not your fault. If you used the PBS wrapper and adequate tape-meaning mailing tape and not scotch tape.  And you taped it up well (not necessarily mummified) then you don't owe them anything.

Date Posted: 12/22/2010 8:12 AM ET
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Also you dont' have to refund a credit if the PO messes up your book.? That's not your fault. If you used the PBS wrapper and adequate tape-meaning mailing tape and not scotch tape.? And you taped it up well (not necessarily mummified) then you don't owe them anything.

 
But then you are going to have a RWAP.  I don't want RWAP's or problems noted on my account.  I don't want to make anyone mad and I'd rather just give them back the credit.  If you order a book from anywhere else, (Amazon), it's not going to come in just printer paper and may or may not be wrapped in saran wrap (which doesn't always work).  If I just buy real mailers, there's going to be a lot better chance that my book makes it there whole and is not a soggy mess.  Even if it's not technically my fault, I would still feel badly if they said the book was mangled or soggy.
 
I guess it's one thing if the PO destroys a heavy duty mailer and a book gets damaged.  I think it's another if it's just paper.
Date Posted: 12/22/2010 1:00 PM ET
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Most giving of credits between members is, as Liesl stated, on a "loan" basis, rather than a "free gift" basis, although good friends and long-time members may certainly (and sometimes do) give credit gifts.

PBS members can also legitimately donate credits to several charitable causes, including the School Donation Program, the Military Donation Program (not currently active) and the Friends of PBS, where members donate back their original "free" credits (or more) and/or PBS money to help cover the costs the site needs to keep running and to keep membership free.  There's no wealthy corporate sponsorship here -- when another member gives you a credit, they've paid for it one way or another, either in cash or from swapping books.

We'd all "love, love, love" free credits. Many members here deal with financially challenging issues such as raising a family, unemployment, medical issues, etc.

You have, respectfully, not even been a member for a whole week, so I think it is a bit premature to be asking for RAOKs. wink



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