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Subject: postable?
Date Posted: 4/9/2008 8:04 AM ET
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This is one of those "iffy" books. 

The book is in fine shape except for two spots where the previous owner used large paper clips for bookmarks.  In these two areas (only involving a few pages) the pages are wavy where the clip was.  In one of the areas there is a rusty imprint from the clip.

This book is wishlisted, so I'd like to offer it even if I'm taking the chance of getting no credit.

 **I just posted it...gonna take my chances!**



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Date Posted: 4/9/2008 8:40 AM ET
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Unless the print was effected by the rusty paper clip, I think it sounds okay.

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 8:55 AM ET
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Yeah, I'm going to agree - it's postable!

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 9:57 AM ET
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Sounds perfectly postable to me!

Subject: I Think You Should Be Fine
Date Posted: 4/9/2008 10:41 AM ET
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Holy cow! I hope that it is okay to post books with little spots on them, otherwise we'd only get one or two reads out of them anyway.  I am not overly concerned with the appearance of the books I get.  Afterall, I am only going to read them and pass them along.  I feel sorry for all the books that may wind up out of circulation - on the Island of Lost Books, as it were - simply because of little blemishes.  Poor souls!

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 12:26 PM ET
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Brooke - your question leads me to wonder... what defines a stain? 

I have receied two books now, each has a small round (about 1/16" diameter) brown spot along the one the edge of it.  No idea what it is.  Would never have marked either of them RWAP, although this thread is causing me to think they may not be postable.

Opinions?

 

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 1:24 PM ET
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IMO, unless tparts of the book can't be read because of a stain, or you think "EWWW! WTH is this?" and don't want to touch the book, it's okay. 

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 1:33 PM ET
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I would recommend PMing the person just to let them know. Make it clear that you believe the book to be postable (don't want to look like you are trying to get a credit for an unpostable), but that it has a little imperfection on it. Some people believe ANY mark is a stain and absolutely no staining is allowed and they will demand their credit back. They may equate rust to moisture and claim it has water damage.

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 2:31 PM ET
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It's postable. I don't even think it's "iffy."

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 2:32 PM ET
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I would NOT Pm the person.   The book is postable, so why open a can of worms?   Any book that is postable should not require a PM.   Just my thoughts on the matter. 

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 6:45 PM ET
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This thread is interesting to me...because I would have thought it's a stain.  Granted it's a stain from a paperclip, but it's still a stain.  I would have thought it unpostable.  I'm not saying I have a big issue with it, but if I'd received it and then went to think about reposting it I would have felt like I couldn't...because there's a stain.  Does it differentiate between stains? 

I'm promise I'm not giving attitude or trying to be judgemental or anything with my post but I'm just honestly curious because I thought stains were just one of those pretty straightforward  things.  I think I would have offered it as a freebie with another order. 

Sara

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 8:00 PM ET
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Sara's post is exactly why I think that THIS case would be best to have a PM. I personally wouldn't care because the mark is identifiable, but I also would consider a rust mark a stain, which would deem it unpostable on PBS. The reason I think a PM should indicate that she thinks it is postable is because it really ticks people off to get offers of WLed books and then get PMs that look like an unpostable book trying to get a credit instead of a postable book with a flaw. Normally I would not recommend a PM, but this is one of those areas where members are going to disagree. IF you are going to post it, might save a headache to agree on the definition of a stain before the book is mailed.

Depending on the size of the rust mark, I would probably mark it RWP, note the staining, but not ask for a credit back. Then when I was done with the book I would pass the book out to a FOL sale instead of posting on PBS.

Date Posted: 4/10/2008 10:53 AM ET
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Here is a picture of the book that I mentioned in my posting above.  Would you folks consider this unpostable?  I am leaning toward that, because it IS a stain of some kind, even though it's very small.

Book pic

Sorry that I hijacked this thread.  Thought it made sense rather than start another "Postable?" thread.

Thanks!

Date Posted: 4/10/2008 11:09 AM ET
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Debbie, as sad as it seems to me, yes, it's probably unpostable. I'm sorry some people are so picky that the smallest spot is grounds for RWP, but where do we draw the line between "it's very small" and "it's just a little" to "that's kinda big" you know? If it was me, I probably wouldn't post it. It's a stain, and I'd be sure to get the person that says "rules are rules and no matter how small, a stain is a stain".

If it's a book that a lot of people might be interested in, I'd offer it free with an order in your sig or the bazaar. Oh, and it makes perfect sense to me to hijack this topic rather than start another, don't give it a second thought!



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Date Posted: 4/10/2008 11:22 AM ET
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Is it just on the surface?  If so, a light go-over with sand paper may get rid of it.

Date Posted: 4/10/2008 11:45 AM ET
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Sherry - thanks, you confirmed my suspicions. 

Amy - just checked, and no, unfortunately it is slightly (maybe 1 millimeter) "deep".

I'll bring it to work.  We have a bookcase there where people bring books they don't want; I've contributed a handful.  Yeah, I already checked for wishlist books.  ;-)

Deb

 

Date Posted: 4/10/2008 11:54 AM ET
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I hope this doesn't come across as too blunt, because I'm trying not to be but I can't think of another way to express some of this. :)

I personally think that if we are going to be so picky as to start marking books with a tiny mark the size of a pinhead or even less than 1/4 inch RWAP, this site is going to become a MISERABLE place to trade. We all just have to put on our "rational" caps and have a look at these used books for what they are: USED books.

They are not going to be pristine. They will have tiny marks along the edge. They'll be carried around, the'll get dirt on the edges just from the oils in our hands, they will yellow and fade, the pages on even newer books will wave in humid areas of the country, people will open a soda pop nearby and a tiny spot might get on a page... This is real life, people!

I'm getting tired of seeing posts around here of people worried about a tiny mark here, or a crease over there, or a dog-ear on one page, or a tiny spot on the page edges. And I'm also tired of seeing posts where people are holding a perfectly fine book in their hands and considering RWAP because of some extremely minor fault, especially on books that are 30 years old. This site will not have much of a life left if we all start marking books with tiny flaws as RWAP.

Take the guidelines for what they are: guidelines! Be rational about it. Take into consideration the age of the book you're ordering, and consider if it's in overall good condition for its age. Yes, if it has a big, noticeable splotch on the pages it's upostable, but a tiny mark on or near the edge of a book is hardly what most rational people would call damage.

So take a margarita, have a drink and relax a little! Save RWAP for the books that are clearly unpostable. Let's keep this site a fun place to trade, all right?

Date Posted: 4/10/2008 12:31 PM ET
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Jane, sorry my question touched a sore spot for you (and I agree 100% with your sentiments, by the way).  But I am still going to err on the side of caution, since "a stain is a stain" and just my luck this book would get into the hands of someone who, as Sheri said, might think, "rules are rules".  I have no RWAP marks on my record and don't care enough about this one credit to risk it.  That said, I would also NOT mark a book with this kind of spot RWAP.

Deb



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Date Posted: 4/10/2008 12:39 PM ET
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I'm sorry if you felt like I was beating you up, Deb. I really wasn't trying to. But I'll also add that if someone sent me a book with a tiny spot on it as an "unpostable", I'd feel extremely guilty, because I would feel it deserved a credit. KWIM?

Date Posted: 4/10/2008 7:25 PM ET
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I would not have minded receiving a book with such a small spot either. What bothers me more is when the stain goes over onto the pages. Many used books have those magic marker lines on the side of the pages which are always much bigger than that little spot. This one is a head-scratcher for me. I would have thought it was postable too.

Date Posted: 4/11/2008 9:25 PM ET
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I think you're right on, Jane!  It seems unfair that Bookcrossing books can have stamps all over them, but a little spot on the outside edge of a non-BC book makes it unpostable.  Now, having said that, I'm a stickler for sending only decent, postable books.  That's why I asked about this one.  I've been back and forth in my mind about PMing and kind of decided not to, just because I don't want to plant the idea in the person's mind.  BUT I will have no problem with returning their credit if they're the least bit unhappy with the book.

Thanks for all of the interesting input!

Okay, Jane, I give up...what does KWIM stand for? =0)

Date Posted: 4/11/2008 10:43 PM ET
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KWIM:  Know What I Mean?  :)

Date Posted: 4/11/2008 11:46 PM ET
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Debbie, that book looked fine to me!!!! 

Date Posted: 4/12/2008 12:32 AM ET
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I totally agree Jane! One thing I try to keep in mind is that those who post on the forums are just a fraction of who is out there. There are some that post here I'd be afraid to even send a NEW book to! lol :)

Date Posted: 4/12/2008 6:16 AM ET
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Lori, thanks for the endorsement!  I'd like to send it to you as a freebie (no strings attached). Sorry, it's been taken.

It's this book:  The Stone Forest by Karen Harper.

Just send me your address in a PM.

Deb



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