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Subject: Is This Postable?
Date Posted: 7/22/2008 1:04 PM ET
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I have a book that is highly desirable on many Wish Lists that I am just about done reading and was planning to post. However, something dripped on the lower corner of ONE page and I wiped it off with a sponge. That one corner is a little wrinkly, but it doesn't affect text., in fact, it's only about the size of my thumbprint, where I hold the bottom of the book as I'm reading.

The book is otherwise is good condition as I bought it new and have been the only reader. What do you think? Does the ripple on one corner of one page consitute water damage? Or do I post it and inform the requestor and let them decide?

Thanks!



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Sianeka - ,
Date Posted: 7/22/2008 1:27 PM ET
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Since the slight ripple technically is damage, and it was caused by liquid, I'd say that the book was technically not postable.  And I don't want to encourage people posting unpostable books.  However

have you tried to press out the wrinkle?  I'd try that.

Then I'd post the book, but give a courtesy PM to the requestor as a "heads up" to make certain they wanted it, if the ripple still shows.

Most times, however, the ripple can be pressed out and there is no lasting damage to the book, making it fully postable.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 1:35 PM ET
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I would try the iron on the wrinkle and see if its fixable.  If so, then post.  If not, you can offer as a freebie with a "real" order from your shelf and make someones day :   )

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 1:40 PM ET
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What book is it, Carolyn?  Curious minds want to know (okay, my curious mind).

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 1:46 PM ET
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It's The Friday Night Knitting Club. The "damage" is actually only a tiny spot about 1" by 1" where you hold the bottom corner to read the book. I must have had something on my finger (coffee/cinnamon?) when I opened the book, so I tried to wipe it off. It's a teensy bit warped in that corner on that page only. A very tiny stain (about 1/2 inch by 1/8 inch) also remains.

It's a book that I would still accept as a requestor, but I'm new enough that I don't want to violate any rules.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 2:33 PM ET
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PBS guidelines say NO water/liquid damage of any kind. I think you run the risk of having it reported RWAP if you post it and the person receiving the book would have ample justification. JMO.
Date Posted: 7/22/2008 3:42 PM ET
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I would post it and just PM the person to let them know of the issue at hand. When I think water damage, I am thinking the book is in terrible condition. A little ripple would not bother me. JMO

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 3:54 PM ET
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Thanks, Jennifer! I think I'll do that. The extent of "damage" is absolutely no bigger than my thumbprint on one page of the book, which runs about 350 pages. It's what I would consider normal wear for a paperback.

 

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 4:33 PM ET
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I would try to iron that corner in addition to letting the requester know. Usually the iron will press any bumps right out. I have done this with books where the page gets caught and wrinkled.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 5:13 PM ET
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Not postable. Sorry.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 6:03 PM ET
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Not postable.  PBS guidelines don't make an exception for small stains. 

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 6:18 PM ET
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PLEASE don't post books that don't meet guidelines and then PM the person to see if they will accept paying a credit for it. That often really disappoints and upsets the person who has been waiting for the book. Unfortunately rules say NO liquid damage and NO liquid stains so the book is unpostable. The best thing would be to offer it free with an order (or two) from your shelf.

I have two books in the same situation. One has a thumbprint on the first page of the first chapter. Another I just received from someone who must have splashed coffee near the book - the first page and one other in to book have a handful of tiny coffee splatters. both books are in perfect condition other than those minor flaws and have huge WL lines. Both are unpostable and though both would be taken pretty easy, it is just not fair to expect someone to take a book that is technically unpostable for a credit IMBFO.  Had the coffee spiller PMed me, I would not have accepted the book because now I have a book that I wouldn't feel right posting.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 6:38 PM ET
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Is it possible that the stain is not absorbed deeply into the paper?  Getting coffee or cinnamon wet would cause it to set into the paper, but if it's not in there very deep, you may be able to sand it off with some sandpaper, or even a coarse emery board.  I'd see how that comes out first, and if it works, put some cardstock or cardboard, posterboard, etc. under the rippled page, and then put a thin dishtowel or cheesecloth over the top & press it with a hot iron.  If it's even slightly damp, put pieces of cardstock on either side of the rippled page, close it & lay a large hardcover book flat over the top of it, and then put something heavy on top of that for added weight.  Newer moisture rippling often presses out very easily.  I'd try all of these things before I gave it up for dead.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 7:43 PM ET
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From the Help Center and the pop-up box when you post a book:

No damage at all from water or other liquid

I know it seems petty, but no damage at all from water or other liquid means just that.  It doesn't say  'except for one drop' or 'only in one corner'. 

Two major reasons for being so strict with the rule 1.) This does away with the back and forth of subjective interpretations of 'little water damage' in one person's mind vs 'really damaged' in another's and honestly, there are people who would take advantage of that and send out books that went swimming and 2.) any water damage opens up the potential for mold and mildew damage and being living things, mold and mildew can travel from a damaged book to previously undamaged  ones and destroy everything on the shelf (and you can't always see the mold and mildew until it's too late, really once a book has mold or mildew it should be disposed of immediately, unless you have the means to properly treat it.)  All of my cookbooks and any book with liquid damage are stored seperately for this reason.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 8:20 PM ET
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Sounds like I might just have to suck it up and not post the book this time. I understand the reason for the rule. You're right, water damage can cause mold and mildew and I agree, Meghan, it would be hard to draw the line between what is and is not acceptable levels of damage.  Thanks everyone for all your suggestions/guidance.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 8:46 PM ET
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FWIW-it will probably go quickly on the Bazaar.  With a high # of wishers you could even offer it as free with an order of 2 books and it would still get snatched up...

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:19 PM ET
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Ok, I just noticed when I flipped through a book before packaging to mail, 4 or 5 blue highlight marks between one and two inches long on 4 or 5 pages of the book, not on any text, but in the margin.  I'm thinking it is not postable and I've messed up.  Should I just cancel the order and send a pm stating why?  I totally didn't know the marks were there and realize I need to check my books almost page by page now so this don't happen again.  Also it is not a textbook, but great condition otherwise. 



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Sianeka - ,
Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:36 PM ET
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Sorry, Deonne, your book is an unpostable.  If you are in the middle of a transaction, all you can do is PM the requestor and tell them your story.  If they don't want it, cancel the transaction and remove the book from your bookshelf.  You can offer it as a freebie with an order from your Bookshelf in the Book Bazaar.

Date Posted: 7/22/2008 11:42 PM ET
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That's what I thought, thanks Robin.  What a shame for a good condition book to have blue marks on it.  Well,  i guess I get my first big red x now.  :o(  Everybody makes mistakes.   :o)  I hope they understand.