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Subject: Posting books without ISBN that are ALREADY in the system?
Date Posted: 3/13/2014 4:17 PM ET
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Okay, I know we are supposed to make sure ISBN's, edition, etc match. But what about books with NO ISBN? I have a stack of children's books that all have wishers - but they have no ISBNs. They are in the system with a 6 digit code in place of the ISBN-13, and nothing at all in the ISBN-10 space. http://www.paperbackswap.com/Elsie-Waits-Patiently-Little-Jewel-Books-Rod-STaff/book/224290/ is an example - actually all the books I have are from this series.

 

Is it permissible to go ahead & post under this listing, since it has no ISBN? Or should I create a new listing, even though that wouldn't notify those on the WL?

Date Posted: 3/13/2014 4:35 PM ET
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These short ones are PBS only numbers, used to post books without an ISBN.  PBS used to say that we could use the short ISBNs.  Then it changed the policy, that we are suppose to make a new one for each book, only re-using the number if we repost a book.  I'm not sure why the change.  But PBS now says to make a new one for each book.  

I recommend making a tag on the one with a wish list, directing them to your copy.  

Do check the copyright page.  There will often be an ISBN listed there.

Date Posted: 3/13/2014 4:39 PM ET
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Oh boy.  Elsie is a really poor listing.  Not enough data was entered.  And as it is a short ISBN, you really can't edit it to add more information, unless you were the original poster.  Please put more data into your listing.  

Google books lists an ISBN.  



Last Edited on: 3/13/14 4:41 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/13/2014 7:52 PM ET
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The short number (currently six digits) is used to track a particular copy of a book.  Using a listing someone else created can mess up their transaction records, change the book's footprint, and if the member who received that copy tries to repost their book (using that same number, as they should), you've taken their listing.

You should post your copy from the yellow bar at the top of the Post Books page, and you are welcome to copy and paste info from another listing (such as the description) that fits  your copy.  The more complete your listing, the more attractive it is to someone thinking of ordering it.  When you do this, the server will assign a new 6-digit number to your copy of the book.

Even if you can "find" an ISBN for your book somewhere else, you can only use the true ISBN listing if your book has that ISBN printed on it.
 



Last Edited on: 3/13/14 7:59 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Subject: Guidepost Books no ISBN's on any of them
Date Posted: 12/9/2014 8:53 AM ET
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Why don't any of the Guidepost books have an ISBN #.    I see some I have listed that are already in the system with wish list requests. 

Will those people ever know that the book is available?   Kind of frustrated.  Is there anything else I can do?

Thanks

Date Posted: 12/9/2014 9:06 AM ET
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It doesn't actually make sense for the short ISBNs to work any differently than the long ones. Speaking as a software programmer. I don't know PBS software writing practices ... But the ISBN on books seems to be used as the unique identifier in the PBS database, as does the short ISBN generated by PBS. Having the unique identifier actually have different functionality in the PBS software based on whether its 6 or 10 or 13 characters would imply that they've written logic twice, instead of once, which flies in the face of good software programming practices. Its more likely that the numbers actually all work the same, with the exception that PBS generates a number first if you start from the post without number page.
Date Posted: 12/9/2014 9:25 AM ET
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"Using a listing someone else created can mess up their transaction records, change the book's footprint, and if the member who received that copy tries to repost their book (using that same number, as they should), you've taken their listing."

It is not clear to me why this is any different than using a 10- or 13-digit ISBN.  Frankly, if I have the book listed with a short ISBN, and someone is wishing for it, it makes a lot more sense to use that listing than create one they will never see.  (Yes, I know you say not to wish for short-ISBN books, but that's only because you say not to re-use the numbers.  There is no other good reason for people not to wish for them.)

Amazon.com, for example, creates an ASIN for non-ISBN books and then everyone with that edition (as described on the page) uses that ASIN.

Date Posted: 12/9/2014 11:40 AM ET
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From the Help Center:

  • non-ISBN books on a Wish List
    • will not trigger "Similar-to-wished-for-item" alerts
    • will not trigger a Wish List offer unless that particular copy is reposted into the system by someone who received it through PBS (using the Repost Books area or TBR Pile)
    •  will not be removed automatically when another version of that title is received through the Wish List.
  • "Short ISBNs"
    • should not be reused to post another copy of that book (the Post Books field will accept only 10 or 13 digit ISBNs)
      • this is because it is possible that not all the information the first poster provided about the book will match another book of the same title that needs to be posted without an ISBN
    • cannot be added to a Book List (TBR Pile or Books I've Read) manually.
      • If that copy of the book is received through PBS, it can be added to TBR when it is received
      • If that copy of the book is received through PBS, it can be added to BIR when it is reposted from the TBR Pile or Books to Repost area
  • non-ISBN items on the Club Wish List if no ISBN version of the book is currently wished-for
    • Usually mean that the wishers already got an ISBN version and neglected to remove this non-ISBN version from their Wish Lists
      • this would not have been done automatically by the system when the ISBN version was received, since the items are not linked
    • If you see this, it is likely that no one is actually currently wishing for that title; these are "leftover" wishes

In other words, it is not very effective to put a non-ISBN item in the database onto a Wish List.

You can find it here:

Non-ISBN Items

 

Date Posted: 12/9/2014 3:35 PM ET
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"In other words, it is not very effective to put a non-ISBN item in the database onto a Wish List."

True, but that hasn't stopped a lot of people from doing it.

Date Posted: 12/9/2014 9:12 PM ET
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True - lots of members do that - most haven't bothered to read the guidelines.  Not a problem unless your wishlist is full - then you might prefer wishing for something that might actually be posted.