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Subject: Posting Coloring Books
Date Posted: 10/9/2011 11:12 PM ET
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I am confused.  I have some never used Dover Publications Coloring books, mostly on military and medieval subjects.  I checked the ISBN for some of them and they are in the system and have wishers for them.  But then I noticed that the rules say no coloring books. 

So can I post them or not is my question.

Date Posted: 10/9/2011 11:15 PM ET
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These are, in my opinion, books that have black and white illustrations that can be colored if someone wants.  If they are pristine and WL-ed, I say post them.

Date Posted: 10/9/2011 11:17 PM ET
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Although they are listed, they are not ok to post.  Please refer to this post which the PBS Team explains how these items can get into the database: http://www.paperbackswap.com/Report-Suspicious-Items-Here/topic/9603/

Date Posted: 10/9/2011 11:31 PM ET
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I have used these in my classroom.  They are not coloring books per se.  They give factual information and have illustrations that could be colored.  Does Dover call them "coloring books" on the cover?

Date Posted: 10/10/2011 12:00 AM ET
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Yes, it says coloring book on the cover, in the small print in the upper left hand corner.

Date Posted: 10/10/2011 1:41 AM ET
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These are, in my opinion, books that have black and white illustrations that can be colored if someone wants.

That's what a coloring book is.  What imho, differentiates Dovers from typical coloring books is the quality of the paper used, the illustrations and the informative nature of the book. ( Coloring books are meant to be colored in using crayon. )The pages look more like workbook pages and they are often used in the classroom. 

So they fall into kind of a gray area.  Probably be a good idea to contact tptb and ask them to re-examine the issue.

Date Posted: 10/10/2011 3:06 AM ET
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Coloring books are not considered "media" by the Post Office, so they aren't eligible for the "media mail" rate, and can't be posted here.  My understanding is that even Dover coloring books and classy adult coloring books are considered coloring books by the Post Office, which rules them out here.  Dover stencil books and pattern books are postable.  It's not that PBS has anything against coloring books, but the site doesn't allow anything to be posted here that can't legally be sent at the media mail rate.

Date Posted: 10/10/2011 9:29 AM ET
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If it says coloring book on it, I would not post it.

Date Posted: 10/10/2011 1:05 PM ET
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I found this on the USPS site:

http://pe.usps.com/text/csr/PS-064.htm

 

According to these, Dover books could go media mail.  It explicitly states things "which do not consist of reading matter" and then they give examples with no text are not media mail.  They do not list coloring books as an example of something not eligible by the way.  But the Dover ones and the Bellerophon ones are a complete readable book (Bellerophon in fact doesn't sometimes say coloring book on it anywhere" that look like a regular book with black and white illustrations on each page.  Sometimes there is more text on a page than picture.  I'm hoping this links directly to one to see it. 

http://seeinside.doverpublications.com/dover/0486261522

 

I can totally see some USPS people not following their own rules at times though if opened.  Interestingly, Dover itself mails its books media mail and so does other places that ship them.  They are obviously not the definitive, but it was interesting when I checked that. 

Date Posted: 10/10/2011 1:19 PM ET
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This came up awhile back, and IIRC Tanya is on the right track.  The dividing line is whether or not the book has informative text along with the black and white line drawings.  Which would make these postable, no informative text makes them unpostable.  Feel free to check with TPTB tho.  They should be very light, so you could mail First Class if concerned about uninformed postal workers.

Date Posted: 10/10/2011 5:06 PM ET
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It looks like the way to go is to send the question to TPTB and get the official answer.

Date Posted: 10/10/2011 8:26 PM ET
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If it says coloring book on it, I would not post it.

+1yes 

Since PBS says "No coloring books" if it says its a coloring book, I wouldn't post it. If you don't think it is a coloring book, submit a data edit.

Date Posted: 10/11/2011 6:58 PM ET
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All of them I have seen have a lot of information in them.  I have used them for the information without coloring them.  I think they are postable

Date Posted: 10/11/2011 7:08 PM ET
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Even if you could get the Post Office's okay, the PBS rules say "No coloring books."  The Dover coloring books say "coloring book" on the cover.  If you want to ask the PBS Team to change or clarify the rules, go down to the bottom right corner of any page.  Under "company" click on "contact us."  Use the Feedback option there.

 

 

Date Posted: 10/11/2011 10:29 PM ET
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And there ya go Bronwyn, a wide variety of answers!  Just take your pick, flip a coin...or contact TPTB  http://www.reviewsbyjessewave.com/wpstorage/wp-content/uploads/Green_Smilies/icons/icon_drunk.gif



Last Edited on: 10/11/11 10:32 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 10/24/2011 9:58 PM ET
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Here is the official answer on this from the PBS team.

 

  Dear Bronwyn,

Thanks for writing in about this. We have several concerns about making the change to allow these items here.

First, not all USPS clerks are aware of all the nuances of the Media Mail rules. There are plenty of "legal" packages that are problematic, and anything that comes close to a gray area is likely to cause problems for some members.  Coloring books are not interpreted as Media by some USPS employees.

Second, we try to keep the rules about what can be swapped here as simple as possible. They're already pretty complex, with exceptions for textbooks and cookbooks and travel books, and we're very reluctant to make yet another type of exception for coloring books. There is the issue of quantifying how much coloring has been done, etc., which we do not want to get into in the rules.

Third, there is no way for the system to distinguish cheap comic-type coloring books from these more expensive types, so if we allow these, we would open the door for all coloring books, most of which would not stand up to multiple swaps - their utility being exhausted after the first use.

We'll keep your comments in mind, but at this time, we don't think we'll be allowing any coloring books to be posted here.  Members can swap unpostable items in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum, as always.

We hope this information is helpful,

The PaperBackSwap Team
www.PaperBackSwap.com



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Regarding: Dover Publishing Coloring Books
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I have several of these coloring books, they are like new, never used.  I checked the ISBNs on some and found them in the system with wishers.  (examples:  0-486-24993-x and 0-486-24843-7)  I also saw in the rules that no coloring books were to be posted.  I posted a question about it on the Questions About PBS forum and got a variety of answers.  I know Dover used to and apparently still does, ship these media mail.  So I was needing the official answer on whether or not these are postable materials at PBS.

Thank you, Bronwyn

Date Posted: 10/24/2011 10:45 PM ET
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Thanks for sharing, that sounds like more clarification than we've seen on this issue in the past.