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Subject: Putting a book on hold?
Date Posted: 9/23/2009 12:14 PM ET
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I listed a few books (that I haven't read yet but plan to swap) so I didn't forget about them.  Then someone requested one of them (oops), so I'm trying to read it as quickly as possible, but I put the other ones on hold.

My question is, when you have a book on your shelf and then put just that book on hold, what happens to its place in FIFO when you take the hold off?  Is it the same as putting the entire shelf on hold and keeping your place?  Or does it go to the end of the line?

I tried to search the help docs for this, but I think I'm not typing in the string of words needed to get an answer.  Thanks in advance!

Rick B. (bup) - ,
Date Posted: 9/23/2009 12:26 PM ET
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I'd be interested in hearing the answer to this, too. If nobody has an answer, maybe we could perform an experiment.

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Date Posted: 9/23/2009 12:31 PM ET
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If you put an individual book on hold and then repost it, it goes to the end of the FIFO line.

Date Posted: 9/23/2009 12:32 PM ET
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I'm interested, too.  I looked in the help documents and found on this page Bookshelf  it describes how the system puts a book on your bookshelf on hold when you mark it received.  The definition for "on hold" brings up the definitions for the effects of the vacation/hold feature, which could imply that the hold on a single book on your bookshelf  is handled the same way as a vacation hold.  This would mean we could all go ahead and post all of the books on our TBR to get a spot in line, them put them individually on hold, take them off hold when we finally get around to read them and they are magically way up the FIFO line.  That could be a wonderful thing!  Has only sent in this question to the Contact Us link?

ETA:  Obviously, I was typing while Cathy was answering, so maybe she has some first hand info.



Last Edited on: 9/23/09 12:33 PM ET - Total times edited: 3
Date Posted: 9/23/2009 1:52 PM ET
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Yup. goes to the end of the line.

Date Posted: 9/23/2009 3:32 PM ET
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I am not questioning that it DOES go to the back of the line, but as a Tour Guide, I'll like to know where to find that in the helps.  I'm not seeing it.

Date Posted: 9/23/2009 3:53 PM ET
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I didn't find anything that specifically says that either Cozi. This is the closest thing I found:

Your PBS Bookshelf is the list of books you have Posted to offer for swapping.  It also contains books you have received from PBS (these go "on hold" onto your bookshelf when you mark the books received, unless you choose not to do this at the time of marking the book received). 

  • The symbol appears to the left of items on hold.  Items on hold cannot be seen by other members looking at your bookshelf.  Books get onto your Bookshelf on hold when you mark them received.
  • The symbol  appears to the left of items that are listed as available for swapping.  These items can be viewed by others looking at your bookshelf.
You can convert a book "on hold" to an "available" book by clicking to place a checkmark in the box next to the item on your Bookshelf and clicking Post at the top of the page to post the book. You can do this at one time for multiple items on one page of your Bookshelf if you like.
 
That is basically "implying" that books on hold on your shelf can't be seen by others and therefore aren't available in the queue, but it doesn't really say that. I know, because I put much of my shelf on hold individually that way once about 2 years ago and it was only when I unheld them that I discovered that it was NOT the same as a vacation hold, and that they had NOT retained their places in line!
Cheryl
Date Posted: 9/23/2009 5:57 PM ET
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Yea..that was the page help page I was looking at, Cheryl. When you hover that blue "on hold" it brings up the definition of vacation hold, which could imply that it is handled the same as a vacation hold. I agree with you that it needs to be clarified and specifically stated that it is different. But just to play Devil's Advocate...what would be the harm in handling an individual hold the same way as a vacation hold? In the future, when PBS plans to give us more info on our place in the FIFO line, it would generate a lot of the same questions we get now on the WL...I was #1 and now I'm #3, etc. Is it a bad thing to hold your place in line while it is on your TBR? Why is it any different than holding your place in the WL line?
Date Posted: 9/23/2009 6:15 PM ET
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Christa, the info that PBS intends to provide about FIFO isn't that your book is number 354 in line out of 1032, but more along the lines of "your book, based on current statistics available for this title, will be requested in seventeen weeks".

I'm pretty sure that if you put a book on hold and then post it, the post date changes to the date you change its status, which would explain why it would move to the end of the FIFO line.

Date Posted: 9/23/2009 6:56 PM ET
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Thanks for the information.  I don't think that clears one thing up.  lol   I hope that someone from TPTB stops by and let's us know the definate answer.  Something we can point to when we are asked.

Date Posted: 9/23/2009 7:57 PM ET
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By default, when you receive a book it is placed on your Bookshelf on Hold. (Unless you uncheck that box when you are marking it received). If you look at the Book Listing page, for books that are on hold on your Bookshelf, you will see that it is listed as being on your Bookshelf, but you also still have the "Post This Book" button ... BUT if you look at a book from your shelf that is NOT on hold, you will see that it is listed as being on your Bookshelf, BUT you see the "Your copy is posted" thingee instead of the "Post This Book" button.

so my best guess is that a Book on Hold on your bookshelf is not counted as being posted at all.

It would be nice if they explained it in the help docs, though.



Last Edited on: 9/23/09 7:58 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 9/24/2009 8:26 AM ET
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I tried the experiment.  I had a book that was already posted to my bookshelf.  I put it on hold and the Date Posted time and date changed to the time I put it on hold.  I left it on hold overnight.  When I took it off hold this morning, the Date Posted time and date stayed the same as the date and time when I put it on hold.  It did not change to the date and time that I took it off hold.

Date Posted: 9/24/2009 9:13 AM ET
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Cathy is correct. It was in one of the Newsletters as a Q/A, I don't think it is in the Help Center anywhere. I think The Team also posted about it in a thread in Questions when someone freaked out after someone told him to use it without telling him that all his books are unposted and then reposted when the hold was removed.

eta: Interesting that your time and date stamps didn't move when you reposted Christa. I just tested it wilth two books, one that had been on hold on my shelf and one that had been posted. Both changed in the time stamp when I held the book and when I reposted the book.



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Date Posted: 9/24/2009 10:58 AM ET
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I was surprised, too.  And I tried it two or three times just to be absolutely sure.  It did handle it a bit differently when I tried it with a book that I ordered through the system, marked as received and let the system put it on my bookshelf on hold.  On those books, the Date Posted was originally several months before I even ordered it, so I'm guessing that was the date the previous owner posted it to their shelf.  When I clicked the little check box and then the Hold button, those changed the Date Posted to the current date.  Then when I clicked the check box then the Post button, those changed the Dated Posted again.  But then I put them on hold and reposted and they kept the hold date.

Main point is if you've had it in FIFO for a while, holding and reposting definitely loosed your original place in the FIFO line. 

Date Posted: 9/24/2009 1:23 PM ET
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Yeah, this feature is just confusing enough that it's not something I use at all and I kind of wonder why they even implemented it at all. I always remember to click to remove the book from my shelf when I receive one, but I do list it on my TBR. So when I've read it and am ready to post, I just post it right from there. Having individual books on the bookshelf on hold makes no sense to me.  Vacation hold is very useful, of course.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 9/24/2009 1:45 PM ET
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I guess they figure if it's a book you are ready to send out then it doesn't need to be put on individual hold and can keep moving up in FIFO. So if you put your whole shelf on hold it's ok for them to move up FIFO becasue you are just on vacation or over your postage budget or too busy to mail out books for the time being.

But if you just put an individual book on hold then they don't want it moving up FIFO because it's more likely that you haven't read it yet, not sure if you want to send it out yet, can't find it or whatever. 

(I personally don't like having held books on my shelf.  I don't even post them from the TBR list-I always put in the ISBN. I don't pay much attention to binding or ISBN when I receive books.  So I make sure it's right by putting the ISBN in before I post. One time I had a tradesize and the listing said mass-market paperback.  I never noticed when I ordered the book or when I marked it received.  But I could have been called on it if I had sent it out using my listing in the TBR or just unholding it from myshelf). 

Date Posted: 9/24/2009 10:35 PM ET
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Mary wrote: I don't pay much attention to binding or ISBN when I receive books.  So I make sure it's right by putting the ISBN in before I post

I didn't always pay much attention when checking books in, either, until I had the same thing happen as you mention--went to post a book from my TBR and it was not the same ISBN, different format, etc. Noticed it before I actually posted it, but now I check those things over carefully when I get the book before marking them received. I mean, those that don't match ISBN should be RWAP'd anyway, in which case I think you aren't even given the option of adding to TBR or shelf. I also have found a couple of RWAPs for condition "after the fact" (months after being received) so that's another reason I just take an extra minute to look the book over well before marking received.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 9/25/2009 11:45 AM ET
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I know I should be better about checking them when I receive them. I personally don't really care about binding and jsut want to read the book. But I know other people do.  Which is why I always put in the ISBN when I repost.

I guess they did it as a convenience to people. But I think it encourages people to become lax in double checking the books info before reposting. I mean it only takes a minute to post a book by putting the ISBN in so it's not like it's a huge time saver.

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Date Posted: 9/25/2009 1:25 PM ET
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I do find the book travels amusing.  Is the tracking of the most travelled books dependent on you putting the book on your bookshelf on hold & reposting, or does it figure it out when you input the isbn again?  

I wonder.......

 

Subject: Vac. hold or bksh. hold?
Date Posted: 9/25/2009 4:41 PM ET
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I work on a boat . My schedule is 2 weeks at work, then 2 weeks at home. I have access to the internet, but not to the post office while at work.  If  I put my account on vacation hold every time I go to work, it puts my wishlist on hold also.  If a book on my wishlist comes up every time while I'm working, I might never receive it. I put my whole bookshelf on hold instead. I guess as long as I have a surplus of credits that this is the best way for me. If I am low on credits, I'll use the vacation hold to keep my posted books in their place in line. Anything I'm missing in this strategy?



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Date Posted: 9/25/2009 6:23 PM ET
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Harry, if you put your wishlist on auto-request those books will be requested for you even if your account is on vacation hold.  If you don't have any credits and a wishlist book is posted when you're first in line, you're skipped over until you have a credit or take your account off hold.  This might work better for you, as your books wouldn't lose their place in the FIFO line but you'd still receive wishlisted books.

Date Posted: 9/25/2009 8:13 PM ET
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Thanks, that sounds better.