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Subject: question about condition
Date Posted: 8/7/2013 12:34 PM ET
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I have a hardback with stains on the dust jacket. I was wondering since you do not need dust jacket to be postable, if the condition rules apply. So is this book postable with stains on the dust jacket?
 

Date Posted: 8/7/2013 1:12 PM ET
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The rule is that if someone requests the book and has a RC that dustjackets are required, then the dustjacket must follow the "cover" rules ... no stains, no rips over 1 inch, etc.

If there is no RC for dustjackets, then the dustjacket can be missing completely or be in any condition.

As someone who prefers to have the DJ, I would send it with the book unless it is gross in some way. If the stains are just water, I would probably leave the DJ on and send the book with it. If the stains are mysterious or look gross, I would toss the DJ. In either case, make sure the stains don't go thru the DJ onto the cover of the book.  if you do end up sending the book with the DJ, and someone complains, you can simply let them know that they can remove the DJ and toss it in the garbage to make the book postable.

Date Posted: 8/8/2013 12:00 AM ET
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I would disagree, Sara. If you send the DJ, regardless of whether the requestor has an RC or not, it should meet postable requirements and NOT have any stains.

Date Posted: 8/8/2013 12:43 AM ET
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According to PBS rules the DJ does not have to meet postability requirements for a book/cover UNLESS there is a RC stating that DJ's must be included, in that case they must meet stardards for the cover of a book.

 

 

Date Posted: 8/8/2013 12:50 AM ET
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The dust jacket only needs to be postable if someone specifically requests it. But as a person who would rather receive a torn dust jacket, for example, than a naked book, I would always both want and would send the dust jacket, even in unpostable condition, unless it's gross or nasty in some way. For example, I might tape up a ripped dust jacket and feel 100 percent fine sending it, as long as there is no RC.
Date Posted: 8/8/2013 12:58 AM ET
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As already stated, the DJ does not need to meet minimum PBS postability standards unless the receiver has an RC for dust jackets. 

Bit of a gray area Jeanne, many members like the DJ even if it's not postable.  I'm not sure it has to be postable if included (curious to hear from a TG).  But some members don't know DJ's are not necessary for postability/swappability and will RWAP (either way).



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Date Posted: 8/8/2013 12:11 PM ET
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Ok, so now I've added an RC that if book has a dust jacket, only include it if it's in good condition. I'm ok with naked books!

Date Posted: 8/8/2013 12:53 PM ET
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Including the DJ, even if it's unpostable, allows the requestor to decide if they want to keep it or enjoy the book naked.

Date Posted: 8/8/2013 1:38 PM ET
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Yeah, its not a gray area at all, as mentioned, the rules say that since they don't have to be included at all, they don't have to be postable unless there is a Requester Condition asking for them.  If a member is RWAPing a book based on the DJ and have no RC mentioning DJs they are completely in the wrong.

Dust Jacket:

  • The DUST JACKET (this is not the same as the cover of a book) does not have to be included with a book at all, unless the requestor had this in their Requestor Conditions. 
  • So DUST JACKET condition cannot be considered as part of the condition of a book, unless there were Requestor Conditions on the request specifying that the dust jacket be included.
  • If the Dust Jacket was to be included as specified in the Requestor Conditions on the request, the Dust Jacket must meet the same conditions as defined for the cover, below...
Date Posted: 8/8/2013 2:48 PM ET
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Ok, so now I've added an RC that if book has a dust jacket, only include it if it's in good condition. I'm ok with naked books!

Honestly, I think you will find that people will just be confused by that and may reject your RC. If you want dustjackets, make an RC that says that, and if you don't care, then don't have a RC about dustjackets at all.

If you get a dustjacket that you don't like, then just toss it in the trash yourself.

Date Posted: 8/8/2013 7:45 PM ET
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Right, Don't confuse the issue with an RC that will have the sender trying to figure out what you mean. You say you're content with no jacket at all. Then just throw away any you don't like.

Plus the decision of whether to keep it or not is in your hands.

Date Posted: 8/9/2013 8:05 PM ET
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Hope you don't mind another question.up

I have a wl paperback.  It still meets postability requirements, but the bottom left of the front cover is tearing upwards- right now about 3/4"-  wondering if putting a small piece of tape to prevent it from tearing more is permitted???

Date Posted: 8/11/2013 12:21 AM ET
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Yes, tape is OK on covers. As long as any underlying rip is less than 1inch. In other words, you can't repair large rips with tape and make an unpostable book postable again. But it's fine to tape small rips so they don't get bigger. I don't use Scotch tape to fix covers though, i have some book tape that I use.
Date Posted: 8/11/2013 2:18 AM ET
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yes thx

Date Posted: 8/11/2013 2:18 AM ET
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yes thx

Date Posted: 8/11/2013 3:58 PM ET
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I use regular white glue to fix rips and tears. Using a toothpick or small brush I apply a tiny amount to the torn edges and put them together folding a small piece of paper over and clamping with a paperclip. You can also do this for the corners where the layers of paper are beginning to peel. The clamping paper I use is just the shiny backing from an adhesive  label so when the glue is dry it peels away. Almost good as new, practically invisible and much more durable than regular or invisible tape, which will eventually peel off or stain the paper.  After a couple years tape will leave a greasy residue when exposed to heat, unless you use book or archival quality and this fix is fast and cheap.