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Subject: Question about covers with corners cut off
Date Posted: 7/14/2008 8:25 PM ET
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I don't get these often, but I do get them occasionally.  Either it's a UBS thing, or perhaps even these could have been chewed on by a pet, and someone cuts - usually the upper - corner off of the cover of a book.  To clarify - I'm talking about paperbacks.  At any rate, sometimes it's just a small piece that's been cut off, but more recently I've gotten a couple of books that were missing what I consider to be fairly large pieces.  What I'm looking for clarification on is the portion of the posting guidelines regarding cover condition (I put the part I'm curious about in bold text):

Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1 inch) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • A bookplate inside the cover or on the flyleaf is OKAY

 

Does anyone know - does this mean one square inch or more has been cut away, or is it meant to be that specific?  Because I received a book today, and  the upper outside corner has been cut away, and if I measure it, we're talking about a triangle almost two inches long on two sides, and just over two inches long on the remaining side - the side that's adjacent to the remaining front cover.  Should I mark this FIFO?

Date Posted: 7/14/2008 9:07 PM ET
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Hi Kim--

<<Because I received a book today, and  the upper outside corner has been cut away, and if I measure it, we're talking about a triangle almost two inches long on two sides, and just over two inches long on the remaining side - the side that's adjacent to the remaining front cover. >>

One side is 2", another side is 2", that means the hypotenuse is ... well, geometry was never my best subject, but that sounds like more than an inch to me, and thus unpostable.  Two inches is nearly half the width on a mass market paperback.

<<Should I mark this FIFO?>>

I believe you're thinking of marking it RWP ("Received With a Problem").  FIFO stands for "First In, First Out", the priority system at PBS.  Since it is unpostable, yes, you should mark it RWP.  Asking for your credit back is up to you.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 7/14/2008 11:19 PM ET
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Some UBS cut the corners to "tag" the books as being non-returnable for credit or trade.  If the cut part is as large as you say, then it wasn't postable and you should contact the sender and request your credit back.

Date Posted: 7/14/2008 11:54 PM ET
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Criminy.  I said FIFO?  I did, didn't I?  Duh.  Yes, I meant RWP:P  I don't recall much of my high school geometry either - and the parts I do recall are mostly of the dreams I had while passed out & snoring across my desk...  This does seem like a rather large chunk of book cover being gone here though:P  I know I wouldn't send it out to somebody else myself, but I wanted to be absolutely sure about it being unpostable in this condition before I marked it RWP, or rather, asked for my credit back and possibly stirred up a hornet's nest - if you know what I mean.  I can take a picture of it and post it in a photobucket album & then post a link, if that would help.  But I kinda thought just from the measurements on this thing, it's pretty obvious it's unpostable, isn't it?  I guess I just wanted to be sure I was right about that:P

Date Posted: 7/15/2008 5:18 PM ET
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I consider 1 inch in any direction to be the upper limit for a missing corner.

I recently mailed out a book in a box swap that was missing 2 corners (front cover and back cover, it had a UBS stamp inside).  But since the missing part was less than 1 inch across the outer edges of the book and less than 1 inch on the hypotenuse, I considered it postable.

Date Posted: 7/15/2008 5:41 PM ET
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The diagonal cut on a corner snip of 1" along both sides of the corner would be 1.414213562 inches. (For the sake of argument, I'd just be lenient and say 1.5"). So if the length of the cut itself is 1.5" or less, I would say it's postable. Longer than that, not postable.

Date Posted: 7/15/2008 9:49 PM ET
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Kim, you've gotten some great answers, lol.  Personally, to me it means 1" along the top or side. If it was a little over I wouldnt' say anything, but 2" is way over and that's unpostable.

My UBS does this on their "clearance" stuff.  They cut large sections, like you are describing..just way more than is necessary. :-p

Date Posted: 7/16/2008 12:30 AM ET
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They do that to keep people from trading books back in?  I think if I saw this at a local UBS - and given the way I feel about needlessly defacing books - I'd read them the riot act.  That's awful.