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Subject: Question about Head coverings/ and dresses
Date Posted: 8/24/2010 2:24 PM ET
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I recently was talking to one of my friends and they are part of the Charity Ministries.  This brought up questions to me.  Below is from their website.  I always thought that the spirit of the law was more important than the letter of the law.  When it talk about men and women dressing differently, I took it that we are to always appear feminine while still being able to wear pants.  The head covering verses seem to be talking about worship services and that the head covering was for women to show they were married.  Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

12. CHRISTIAN APPEARANCE: We believe and confess that God?s people should regulate their appearance by clear scriptural principles.

  1. Gospel order and purity requires neatness and cleanliness. Matt. 6:17, But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,; I Thess. 4:7, For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness.; I Tim. 2:9, 10, ikewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,but with what is proper for women who profess godliness?with good works.; Rev. 19:8, it was granted her to clothe herself 
    with fine linen, bright and pure?? 
    for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
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  2. Clothing and personal appearance shall maintain distinction between the sexes. Deut. 22:5, ?A woman shall not wear a man?s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman?s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.; I Cor. 6:9, Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,; I Cor. 11:4, 5, 14, 15, Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife[b] who prays or(H) prophesies(I) with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same(J) as if her head were shaven. 14Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, 15but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 
  3. Brethren and sisters wear modest apparel which covers and conceals the body. I Tim. 2:9, 10. 9likewise also(A) that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,10(A) but with what is proper for women who profess godliness?with good works.
  4. Notice how God clothes the body. Mark 16:5 5And(A) entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side,(B) dressed in(C) a white robe, and(D) they were alarmed.  ; Rev. 1:13, 13and in the midst of the lampstands(A) one like(B) a son of man,(C) clothed with a long robe and(D) with a golden sash around his chest.. Sisters are recommended to wear a double layer garment to conceal the form of the body. Thus modesty without question should be our expression.  
  5. Clothing shall exemplify gospel simplicity and be free of all evidence of pride, display, or adornment. II Cor. 1:12,  12For our boast is this,(A) the testimony of our conscience, that we behaved in the world with simplicity[a]and(B) godly sincerity,(C) not by earthly wisdom but by the grace of God, and supremely so toward you.; I Peter 3:3, 3(A) Do not let your adorning be external?the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear?; I John 2:16, 16For all that is in the world?(A) the desires of the flesh and(B) the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions?is not from the Father but is from the world..
  6. The Bible forbids the wearing of gold, pearls, or costly array. I Tim. 2:9, 9likewise also(A) that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,.  Notice the attire of the Babylonian harlot. Rev. 17:4, 4The woman(A) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned(B) with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand(C) a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality.. See also the rich man?s apparel. Luke 16:19, 19"There was a rich man who was clothed in(A) purple and fine linen and(B) who feasted sumptuously every day..
  7. Further, the Bible forbids following the changing fashions of the world. Rom. 12:2, 2(A) Do not be conformed to this world,[a] but be transformed by(B) the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may(C) discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect; I Thess. 5:22, 22Abstain from every form of evil.; Titus 2:11, 12,  11For(A) the grace of God(B) has appeared, bringing salvation(C) for all people,12training us to renounce ungodliness and(A) worldly passions, and(B) to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in(C) the present age,; I Peter 1:14, 14As obedient children,(A) do not be conformed to the passions(B) of your former ignorance,.
  8. Brethren are to be free from the shame of long hair. Sisters will wear their hair long. They cover their heads with a distinctive Christian veiling. I Cor. 11:6, 14, 15, 6For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. 14Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, 15but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
Date Posted: 8/24/2010 3:47 PM ET
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Regarding the verses in 1 Cor 11, verses 4 and 5 are quoted out of context.  Verse 3 says, "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of every woman is man and the head of Christ is God."  Our church teaches that Paul was using the "head" to represent the position of authority, and the "covering" in verse 4, 5 and following to represent submission to that authority.  So a woman who prays or prophesizes in a way that dishonors her husband is like a head that is uncovered.  The Message translation of these verses is very consistent with the teaching of our church.  It even calls the covering of heads a "custom", not a law.

And I would modify this statement a little bit: "I always thought that the spirit of the law was more important than the letter of the law." and say that it is the attitude of the heart, not the spirit or the letter of the law.  When God inspired Paul to write these specific words, what was he trying to do in the hearts of the intended audience?  Is my heart in line with that?  Did God mean that I could never wear a gold ring?  No...just like the fact that there are plenty of places in Scripture that he says he will clothe us with robes and put rings on our fingers doesn't guarantee that my jewelry box is going to look like a Tiffany's display case!  But if that gold ring is a source of pride for me and something that I enjoy showing off to incite envy in others, then I better put it back in the box!  If I'm obsessed with wearing the latest fashions and that's what people think of when they think of me, then my priorities are messed up, especially if those fashions are not modest and they become a distraction to people around me. But that doesn't mean I can't wear nice clothes.

I do believe that there is a basic scriptural principle that women should look like women and men should look like men...getting that mixed up can start you down the slippery slope to other gender-bending issues. But I don't believe it is such a specific set of rules.



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Date Posted: 8/24/2010 6:13 PM ET
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When you visit a family that believes that women need wear dresses/skirts and head coverings, should I wear both?  I think that wearing a dress/skirt would be respectful but I'm not sure about the head covering.  If that's something that they consider sacred or something, would that be misusing the head covering.  Their little girl gave our little girl a couple she didn't need, so I think it would be acceptable for them to wear them, but I just don't want to make them uncomfortable in any way.

Date Posted: 8/24/2010 7:36 PM ET
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I would suggest the best way is the direct way ask.your friend.  I"m sure she would be more than happy to answer your inquiries rather than have you both be embarsed by inappropriate dressing. 

Date Posted: 8/25/2010 4:15 PM ET
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Hey Christa,

I have actually talked to several of the Charity Ministry people before. Our family is pretty strong in our standards even wearing only dresses or skirts:) We just feel it is more modest and feminine. But as far as the head covering, we feel it is clearly shown to be the woman's hair. If you want to PM me, I can give you some more of our thoughts about it. If you don't want to, that is okay. But I would definitely agree with Janice and bring up some of these questions to your friend. Believe me, they get these questions a lot so it shouldn't be a problem to explain them you:D