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Subject: Question about * markings in a book & a wonderful 1 just received
Date Posted: 3/13/2009 9:36 AM ET
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I have a question and the answer may be pretty obvious but I wanted other's opinions. I ordered a book last month from someone doing a 2 for 1 deal. When I received the 2 books I didn't go through and examine, I rarely do that as long as they seem to be in good shape no water damage or anything visible, and then I put them on my bookshelf with my other books that I need to read. I got one of them out last night to begin reading, the one that I actually requested, and it has * markings in pen ink by several paragraphs through about 23 of the pages. So I got to looking at the other one that was the freebie and it too has several of those same pen markings throughout the book. I sent the member a PM last night asking if she knew they were in there and and, told her that I hoped I wasn't sounding rude cause I didn't mean to, but that as far as I understood from the guidelines, that made the books unpostable. They won't be going on my shelf here because of it but I will donate them to someone who doesn't mind the markings after I've read them. Do any of you know if those kinds of markings in the book do indeed make it unpostable or what? I did get a PM from the member stating that the books were used when she got them, i don't mind that at all, and that she didn't look through them before posting but that she didn't see any reason to sweat those kinds of markings. I'm not really sweating them, it's just that when I get books, I usually try to repost them if I'm not going to keep them after reading so that way others can read them and they're not just sitting under foot here. But if this makes them unpostable then I can't actually do that. I'm just more concerned about the point that if they are actually considered to be unpostable by PBS rules, then they never should have been posted in the first place.

Any ideas and thoughts on this is appreciated.

Thanks :)



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Date Posted: 3/13/2009 9:46 AM ET
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When they are on text pages like that it's unpostable unless it's a text book or a cookbook. 

Remainder marks, autographs, store stamps, someone putting their name or something on the flyleaf, cover or non-text page is postable.

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 9:50 AM ET
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Thanks Mary. That was what I thought the rule was about writing. I have received plenty with a cute little sticker on the inside cover and a name on there or something and that doesn't bother me at all. It wouldn't have bothered me had it been just one of these markings and a small one but they aren't small and are several throught there, some pages have more than one on it. I know that when I'm done reading them they'll go in the unpostable pile that's for sure.

Thanks



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Date Posted: 3/13/2009 10:11 AM ET
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This is the responce I got from the member about the concern with the markings in the books....

I actually never read that book so I don't know what you're talking about. I think that came in a stack of books from my grandmothers house and I'm fairly certain that it was used when she got it too. It appeared to be in good shape to me, so I didn't leaf through it page by page before posting it. Yes I think there is a guideline about there not being any writing or highlighting in the books but I don't think a little star next to a paragraph is anything to get worked up about. I think we all try to follow the guidelines as best we can but these are USED books we're talking about here, so when I receive a book that has a little mark in it or is not absolutely perfect, I don't sweat it, I'm just glad to have a book I didn't pay $6 or $7 for. Luckily , members here are not much in the habit of actually sending books that are seriously damaged or misrepresented so I haven't had any reason for complaint since being a member here. Hope you enjoy the book...

I understand that these books are used and that bothers me in no way, i wouldn't have become a member if wanted the books to be brand spanking new. They should still meet PBS posting rules though in my opinion if they are going to be posted here, that's why they make the rules, to be followed. I know I'm ranting and I'm sorry, it just annoys me when this happens and the person says don't sweat it

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 10:30 AM ET
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Date Posted: 3/13/2009 10:37 AM ET
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Both of the books, the one requested and the freebie were both posted to her bookshelf. I didn't even ask for the credit back cause I figured it would do no good and I am probably right but it would be nice. Yeah, live and learn is right, from now on I'll make sure to check the books completely before marking received. I've received a few that never should have been posted but normally I get great books and I try to make sure I put great books back into the system. I will copy and paste the rules about that into a PM to her as you suggested and then will just leave it at that.

Thanks

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 11:13 AM ET
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I did want to post that despite the books above, I just received an amazing book. It was in perfect condition. I believe this person may very well have bought this book brand new and posted it after reading. It is the new The Matchmakers by Debbie Macomber. Kuddos to this member! It's always wonderful to receive or hear of someone else receiving books in such wonderful condition here!

 

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 12:45 PM ET
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Along these lines...I have a few WL books that I'd like to post, but haven't because there is an address sticker on the inside of the front cover. Does that make them unpostable? I saw a comment in this thread that made me think it would be ok to post them, but don't want to get a credit for something I shouldn't (but boy oh boy, I could use the credits!!). Debbie

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 12:54 PM ET
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From what I understand as long as the sticker is on the inside of the front cover and not on any text pages, then it is okay to post...

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 12:56 PM ET
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Along these lines...I have a few WL books that I'd like to post, but haven't because there is an address sticker on the inside of the front cover. Does that make them unpostable?

 

The books are postable.

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 2:18 PM ET
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Date Posted: 3/13/2009 2:23 PM ET
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This is great news! I've felt so sorry whenever I see these books wishlisted, and now I can list them for someone else to enjoy! Thanks for the information...Debbie

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 3:18 PM ET
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Well you have probably learned to look more carefully before you mark a book received. Unfortunately, it does not sound like she has learned no to send such books. They are without question unpostable, whatever her blessed opinion might be about used books. Unfortunately there isn't really anything you can do about it now except to perhaps make a note not to ever order from her again if you can help it. Nuts to people who make up their own rules and think that site rules don't apply to them!
Date Posted: 3/13/2009 3:29 PM ET
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Very well put Liesl. I certainly won't be ordering from her anymore. I did send her the guidelines as I was suggested to do. She hasn't said anything else so who knows. But yeah, you're right, can't do anything else about it now, I will be looking very close from now on though.

 

 

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 3:48 PM ET
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Yep, the books are unpostable, and my own opinion is that had you caught this when you received the book, certainly should have marked RWAP and asked for a credit back. As it is, discovering the problem weeks later...well, as my son says, "it sucks to be you." :-D While I do agree that the sender was in the wrong, I would never think of sending a PM about a book's condition or expecting a credit back once the book had been marked received. Basically you chalk it up to a lesson learned and move on. Check those books over thoroughly before you mark 'em received!

As for the sender's attitude...well, book karma is a powerful thing! The universe takes care of itself. They'll get their crappy, unpostable book in return sometime, not to worry. It only sucks that you can't be there to watch! :-D

Cheryl

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 5:12 PM ET
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I can't imagine not flipping through a book before I posted it.  I check at least 3 times before a book is sent out.  That's just common sense to me.  I've had books that looked great just looking at them, and when I opened them up to see if they were postable, they definitely weren't, and the problems weren't hard to find. 

Good luck. Pat

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Date Posted: 3/13/2009 5:32 PM ET
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It is important to check the books and mark them RWAP - if the sending member gets enough strikes on their account they will be sanctioned and/or have their account suspended.  It helps all of us to remove the problem members like the sending member in this situation.  (PBS is a used booksite, so OF COURSE most of the books sent and received are used.  That is NO EXCUSE for sending a book that violates site guidelines and is blatantly unpostable.  It is the duty of all members to check their books for postability before sending them out.  A star next to a paragraph constitutes writing in the book, and yes, it -is- something to get worked up about.  At least, worked up meaning receiving the book as a problem book and noting that the sender is sending out unpostable books.)

It doesn't matter if these books were part of a book deal.  If they were on her bookshelf, she was violating her Terms of Membership here.  I don't think cutting/pasting the rules will help this member - it seems she knows the rules, she just feels she doesn't need to abide by them.  Such "privileged" members should receive RWAPs to help instruct them on proper site protocol.

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 5:40 PM ET
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The only way we can hold the line on high quality books at PBS is to consistently mark the low quality ones as we get them.  We are the PBS's first line of policing.  Don't feel badly about it.  The more someone gets away with this the more they'll do it and with books in pooer and poorer condition.  Have to weed out those who don't abide by the rules.

Ruth

Date Posted: 3/13/2009 5:53 PM ET
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I want to say thank you to all of you who have given me wonderful advice and for all of your opinions. I'll certainly be making sure I check every book all the way through more than once before I mark it received so I'll know if I need to mark it RWAP or not. I won't be letting this happen again that's for sure. I do value the great members we have among us here though and there are a great many of them! I agree, we do have to weed out the ones who don't abide by the rules and I should have checked the book before marking it. As was said earlier, live and learn. I sure have learned my lesson.

Thanks everyone,

Melissa