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Subject: Question about Nook and Kindle?
Date Posted: 12/13/2011 2:20 PM ET
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Hi everyone,

I am an avid reader and I am just now getting around to purchasing an eReader. I am not sure which one I would like but thought maybe you all might have some input. I am not really worried about having the internet but I had some other things I would like.

I would like one that has an area I can do different libraries. If I want books that the kids can't read, I want an eReader where I can have those separate. Even if it is a separate reader list or whatever.

Anyone have any tips? Touch or keyboard? Nook or Kindle? Anyone know if there are going to be any specials after Christmas? Would appreciate any help you can give:) Thanks!

Date Posted: 12/13/2011 2:53 PM ET
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My Nook will not let me separate the books.  They just come in order by title, author, or I think, date.  They are separated by seller, with the B&N books in one area, and the side loaded books in another file.  (I have a one gen Nook.) (And I use Calibre.  Very helpful.)

Kindle will lock you in to Amazon, but it is much more able to be internally organized.  This is really helpful if you have a large number of books or want to separate books by genre or having been read. 

If you need to enter a password (to keep kids out or to get into wifi networks) then pay attention to how you enter it.  The keyboard or a large option for touch keys becomes very important.  My Nook has horrid tiny letters.  My DH Kindle has the turn wheel, which also is a major pain.

I also recommend the reviews of the readers on the Dear Author blog



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Date Posted: 12/13/2011 3:15 PM ET
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Thanks! I just saw that the Kobo Touch is on sale at Target for $79. Anyone have that one or heard good or bad about it?

Date Posted: 12/13/2011 3:15 PM ET
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I have a Sony T1 and PRS-350, a Nook Touch and a Kindle Touch with special offers. All are eInk machines, and you could hack a couple of them for web browsing, but personally don't think browsing the web on eInk machines would be worth the time and effort.

I would like one that has an area I can do different libraries.

Sony's can do collections, Nook Touch's can do shelves, and the Kindle may be able to do collections when syncing from the web site, but I haven't played with that. Otherwise it's just one list on the Kindle. But if the kids can touch the screen or mess with the buttons they could get into any book on the device. You can passcode the Sony and the Nook, (not sure of the Kindle haven't checked that) to keep people out of the device completely, but not out of your book lists.

The Sony and the Nook can take SD cards, and you could put a secondary library on the cards and take them out when the kids are using them, but frankly I wouldn't be removing the cards a lot. They're small, easily lost, can be a PITA to get seated right in the machine, and the machine may have to index the books every time they are replaced. That can take hours for the Sony to index, depending on the size of the library.

Also, depends on the ages of your kids. eInk screens are backed by glass under the screen display and they can get broken when dropped or pressure put on the screen. I wouldn't worry about them being a danger, but younger kids may be too rough if not supervised.

I wouldn't share a device with the kids if I was serious about reading on them myself. Too easy to accidentally open a book you don't want them to. If you got one and didn't like it, you can always clean it back out to factory default and get one you like better and give that one to the kids, or just get them a seperate one. There should be quite a few older models hit the market after Christmas.

Just make sure on buying a used Kindle that you can register it under your account before paying money for it. A Kindle that's been lost or stolen and reported as such to Amazon will be blacklisted and won't be able to be registered on the site. You could sideload books on it, but couldn't ever connect to Amazon and download. Probably the same with the other ebook stores. Make sure you can register them before buying used.

Date Posted: 12/13/2011 3:19 PM ET
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Thanks! I just saw that the Kobo Touch is on sale at Target for $79. Anyone have that one or heard good or bad about it?

I had the Kobo with the navigation button, and it was a bit slower than the other machines, but nice. My sister liked it a lot so I sold it to her and set it up for her. Haven't heard anything about the Touch Screen version, but

There's a forum called "Which One Should I Buy?" at MobileRead Here

Maybe someone there could give you an idea. They also have various forums on all kinds of different machines.

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 2:33 AM ET
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I have a Nook First Edition.  I use the shelves like lists.  I have shelves like "read next", "books started", "have read", and then a lot of different categories.  So, you can separate them into groups and then when on shelf view you will see them that way.  I'm assuming the Simple Touch has shelves, too.

I use Adobe ADE and Nook for PC to get non-B&N books to my Nook.  I find Nook for PC works better than Adobe ADE.

I really like the Nook.  I like that the buttons on the sides navigate as well as the touchpad.  When I'm reading, I just click the buttons.  I like that I can adjust the font size depending on what I am reading.

Whatever reader you get, I recommend getting a nice cover for it.  The one I have opens like a book. It also adds protection for that accident slip to the floor.

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 9:01 AM ET
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Yes, Nook Touch has shelves.  But no ability to "lock" some and not others.

The touch buttons on the Nook Touch work well.  No "big finger" issues or even fingerprints with a screen protector.

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 10:01 AM ET
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Not to throw another question out, but with a Nook, can I only order from Barnes and Noble? Or can I also order from Amazon? I like the Kindle as I often get Amazon gift cards through Swagbucks. Also, would you suggest the keyboard or the touch? I saw some people complaining about the touch but others were complaining about the keyboard:)

The kids won't be touching it but I want to make sure they don't see something they shouldn't:) Can I put a password on it so others can't get into it? On any of them, is what I am asking, I guess.

Sorry about all the questions. Just trying to get peoples thoughts on this.

Thanks again everyone!



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Date Posted: 12/14/2011 11:03 AM ET
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No you cannot buy from Amazon for your Nook.  Amazon is proprietary so they sell for their units only.

I have a Nook Color and you can shelve as many as you want but any sideloaded content will not stay shelved.  I solved that problem by putting them on my SD card and creating shelves there like Paranormal or Historical or Keepers.

 

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 11:06 AM ET
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Amazon and B&N are like Coke and Pepsi. Neither of their things will work on the other.

Other vendors such as Sony and Kobo- their books are the same format as B&N (ePub) but it's a PITA to get the books on there but it can be done.

Outside booksellers such as Fictionwise, AllRomance, Ellora's Cave, and others will allow you to download multiple formats to work on either machine, but you can only download 1 format per purchase. Say you're going to buy Lisa Kleyas' Christmas Eve at Friday Harbor- you can only download one format. You can't go back in and download a different version later.

All ereaders work with the library now, although Penguin Publishing just pulled their content from the Kindle. All things considered at this point, if you have Swagbucks, get a Kindle. Which one is then up to you.

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 11:10 AM ET
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And if your kids are smart and intrigued by an ereader, it will be hard to hide content from them. Amazon and B&N require you to be an adult to have an account with them and so they assume that an adult will be viewing all content. If you want to discourage younger eyes from reading your smut, then download a BUNCH of the classic freebies and put that shelf at the front of the reader when you organize so you have to page through 4 or 5 pages to get to the smut. I do that for exactly that reason and then when a co-worker wants to see how it works, I can demo on Charles Dickens and not on Lora Leigh. Plus you look smarter for having all that Shakespeare on your ereader. No one guesses it's camoflauge.

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 11:12 AM ET
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Not to throw another question out, but with a Nook, can I only order from Barnes and Noble? Or can I also order from Amazon?

For DRM'd locked book, you'll only be able to order at B&N on an Nook Touch. (Not sure if the color tablets have apps for other book sites.)

For unlocked books, you can 'side load' then onto the Nook with a free program called "Calibre". The Nook Touch will open anything unlocked in Epub or PDF. I connect my Nook to the computer, open Calibre where I manage my eBooks, and load the Nook from there.

The Nook Touch has little space for your own content, though. They save the majority of their internal space for their program and books you buy from them. But I have a 16Gig microSD card in mine and have it half full and it's working fine so far.

Amazon does sell DRM'less books. Whether to use DRM or not is up to the Author/Publisher and not a requirement from Amazon. To tell if a book has no DRM, check the book details for...

Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited

 

Such as here...

Product Details

 

Basically, most of the big publishers DRM, and a lot of the indies don't. If it's DRM'd at Amazon it'll be DRM'd to what ever book store it's sold at. If it is unlocked at one, it'll be unlocked at another. I don't know how you tell at B&N if they're DRM'd or not. I think it's just something you find out the hard way.

Can I put a password on it so others can't get into it?

On the Nook Touch you can only set a password in order to make purchases. You can't set one to keep people out of the device.

I think the Kindle Touch and Sony T1 do have settings to set an entry password, but haven't checked on my own yet. But Amazon says...

Setting a Password on Kindle Touch

If you want to make sure that only authorized users will have access to your Kindle Touch, you can set a password on the Settings screen. You'll then need to enter the password to access your Kindle Touch if it enters sleep mode or is turned off

 

 

 

 

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 11:51 AM ET
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Thanks guys for your quick answers! I think I am leaning towards the Kindle. I am just on Amazon so much more, there is not a Barnes and Noble nearby, and the gift cards come into play.

If anyone has any other thoughts, please let me know. Would love to hear why you like your certain eReader:) Thanks!

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 1:33 PM ET
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For you, I think the Kindle would be better. If you're on Amazon more, get the gift cards with your SB for books, it makes sense! :)

I have a Nook and loooove it. I like being able to download books from all kinds of places, not just B&N. (Not from Amazon, but that's ok because there are plenty more sites.) I'm also a HUGE user of my library and at the time, Kindles didn't offer free library loaning of ebooks. I also didn't like the keyboard on the Kindle and prefered the touch screen. I have a B&N nearby and frequent it often. It was just an obvious choice for me. I also do SB but I save my Amazon gift cards for Christmas shopping, so I wasn't benefiting in books and it was a non-issue when deciding. ;)

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 2:03 PM ET
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Thank you Kelly! You said you download from other places than just B&N. Is it just that they have to be a certain format? Sorry to sound dumb but the only thing I have used before is the Kindle on PC. I am not quite sure how the whole format of the ebooks works when you buy from other stores. Like can I buy a book from AllRomance and put it on my Kindle? Or do they charge for it, etc?

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 2:10 PM ET
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No problem! If you get a Kindle, you can only get books through Amazon. There are illegal ways to get books elsewhere, but I don't know the specifics.

With my Nook, I can download from pretty much anywhere other than Amazon. Nooks can read a whole variety of formats, so I can buy from various sites and still load it to my Nook.

HTH! :)

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 2:25 PM ET
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No problem! If you get a Kindle, you can only get books through Amazon.

From inside the Kindle, this is true if it's not hacked.  Outside the Kindle itself, many book sites now offer books in .mobi format, which a Kindle can open easily.

For example, this book at Smashwords....Here.

You can see that they offere Mobi for the Kindle and Kindle apps. They don't have DRM on their books, so it won't ever need a password.

And at the Baen Free Library ... Here.

This is a free book, (The price shown is the suggest donation price. The book itself is free.) and you can see they offer various download formats

Most ebook stores will have Kindle format for sale if they can post them without DRM. Just check their FAQ and they usually list all the format they sell.

I have mostly fanfic on my Kindle at the moment, and use "Calibre" to change ePub and HTML files to Mobi format and load the Kindle that way. Works like a charm.

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 2:44 PM ET
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 If you get a Kindle, you can only get books through Amazon. 

A common misconception.

You can't get books from B&N, the Sony store, Kobo books. You can get books from many other places. The key factor is drm. I can usually remove drm, but more often i just make it a point to buy books w/o drm. My favorite store is fictionwise. I buy the multi-format books. That store also lets you d/l more than 1 format. I often get both the mobi and the epub b/c I have readers that use them. I have a Kindle and one of the greatest things about it, to me is the ability to email books to it. I don't know of any other reader that does that. So for example, I buy a book from fictionwise and down load it to my computer. next I open it to see if I like the formatting. If it looks good, I can go to my email program, attach the file, and email it to my kindle over my wifi. (FREE).  ***My preferred method is to copy the book into Calibre (a free ebook library management program), check the formatting from within there, adjust if needed, then use Calibre to email it to my Kindle. (I do this with books from Amazon too--someimes they look like crap so I fix them).

An alternative is something like a tablet which can have the kindle, Nook & kobo reader apps then you can have them all. the Nook Color has great reviews (I have a refurb but its hidden til Christmas) and I think you can put the Nook app on the Kindle Fire, too.

What it comes down to is price, convenience of getting books on the device, ease of use---and onlt then, book store. For me Kindle wins hands down as I never have to hook it up to the computer!

(forive typos---one hand in a cast)

 

 

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 6:05 PM ET
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For unlocked books, you can 'side load' then onto the Nook with a free program called "Calibre".

You can sideload books to a Nook without using Calibre.  I've done it since day 1 and never used Calibre.  Just drop and drag or if its got DRM, you can use ADE to get it on there.

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 8:55 PM ET
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Okay, one last question about the Kindle Touch. It says it does not come with the Power Adapter. Is this the charger? Or is this what I need to download books from my laptop? I just need to know whether I have to buy it or not. I am going to buy the 2 year protection plan but wasn't sure about the other.

Date Posted: 12/14/2011 9:11 PM ET
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Okay, one last question about the Kindle Touch. It says it does not come with the Power Adapter. Is this the charger? Or is this what I need to download books from my laptop? I just need to know whether I have to buy it or not. I am going to buy the 2 year protection plan but wasn't sure about the other.

The power adapter is what plugs into the wall to charge. Sometimes they're the plug-in head + USB cable, and sometimes they're a one-piece unit. If you're traveling and not taking another computer, you'll probably want one.

Otherwise the USB cord will charge it when plugged into a computer or laptop.

 

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Date Posted: 12/15/2011 8:45 PM ET
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my kobo didnt come with a power adaptor, just a usb cord to connect to the computer.  This allows loading of books and charging from the computer.

my kindle 3/keyboard bought a year ago came with a usb cord that has a 2 prong adaptor so you can plug it into the wall.  It comes off and you can plug into the computer to copy books over or to charge from the computer.  i have copied books using the usb. 

I got the kindle first when it was stil kindle 1 (but i had to have the kindle 3 cause I had to check out the text to speech feature).  I got the kobo only for library books.  I like the kindle controls much better & now that the kindle gets library books, I think I will never touch my kobo again.

I do love the kindle books delivering over 3g (you have to pay for the 3g version of the kindle to get this, but there are no monthly charges).  I guess I could set it up to go against the wifi at home, but why bother.  The web browsing over 3g on the kindle is way slow, but when I was in london I used it a few times and that was nice.... also delivered a book to me that I ordered while in london. (I dont have a smartphone, just a cheap cell phone that only calls people)  I do very rarely use the 3 g outside my home, but it is nice to have

I had to help my aunt remove books from her amazon account because she didnt want her grand-daughter seeing them.  if you delete them on the kindle they go into archive and you just have to click on the title and it reloads and opens the book.  my aunt loves her kindle and thinks it is easy to use, but finds it difficult to use the PC and log into her amazon account and do things there.

It is super easy to get books from amazon on to the kindle.  it is pretty easy to get books from other sources on to the kindle provided they are in a compatible kindle format.  I find getting library books onto the kindle to be much easier than on the kobo, but they will not deliver them over 3g, so I do have to side load using the usb cord (if I set-up my wifi for it that would work too).

I have not used the emailing books to amazon thing, because I do get almost all my books from amazon.  but it is a nice feature.  you can mail any personal documents you want to your kindle.  If you ask amazon to convert them to a kindle format for you they do charge some amount for that. (& they wont convert documents with drm)

I am interested in the lowest priced new kindle because it is smaller/lighter.  One thing i really like about an ereader is that it is light and easier to use than a paper book.  But I really cant justify replacing my kindle when it works so well.  I don't really use the keyboard much on mine, so I dont think i would miss it.  someone who takes alot of notes on the kindle might, but it is not very comfortable keyboarding.  The only thing i used the keyboard for was entering my collection names to organize my book list & when i was using the webbrowsing.

 

 

 

Date Posted: 12/15/2011 8:48 PM ET
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Thanks everyone for your help! You guys are amazing and super fast with your answers:) I may be around this thread a lot now asking questions, if ya'll don't mind.

Date Posted: 12/15/2011 8:51 PM ET
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Hey, ask away!

 

Date Posted: 12/15/2011 8:54 PM ET
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I use the keyboard on my kindle for the notes and calendar apps I bought for them. very handy!

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