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Subject: Now I have a question continued from a Bazaar offer....
Date Posted: 4/28/2010 11:53 AM ET
Member Since: 9/20/2009
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There is a member offering a 3 in 1 audio for 4 cr in the Bazaar. When I saw it I let him know he can't ask for 4 cr for a 3 in 1 which goes for 2 cr normally. But you can split it up and post w/out ISBNs and ask for 6 cr (2 for each book).  One of our extremely knowledgeable TGs very kindly clarified what I was trying to say. She wrote:

If it is a boxed set with 3 books bound separately with separate ISBNs themselves you could ask up to 6 credits (equivalent to a boxed set with 3 separately bound books, which can be offered for up to 1 credit per book). Since this sounds like a 3 in 1 (all on the disks numbered 1-14, disks are not separated by book), it is like an anthology, multiple stories in one binding and you cannot ask for more than 2 credits for audio, 1 credit for paper bound.

So now I have a question about this and thought it would be more appropriate to ask in this forum rather than continuing in the bazaar.

Usually the 3 in 1, 2 in 1 audio cds are not numbered 1-15. For example, if there are 3 books-5 disks each, then they are usually numbered 1-5 for each book. So there are actually 3 sets of disks numbered 1-5 in the box.  However, they come in 1 box with 1 ISBN for the box set. This is still considered one item right? Or do the disks have to be numbered consecutivly (1-15) because I am not sure I have seen it that way on the cd box sets?

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 4/28/2010 12:25 PM ET
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Usually the 3 in 1, 2 in 1 audio cds are not numbered 1-15. For example, if there are 3 books-5 disks each, then they are usually numbered 1-5 for each book. So there are actually 3 sets of disks numbered 1-5 in the box.

This is a boxed set, and you can separate them into individual books. Audio books do not have to include the original box, so it doesn't really matter that you only have one box for all three books. You just have to wrap them appropriately so as to prevent the CDs from breaking in transit. You may have to post them without an ISBN if the individual books' ISBNs are not printed on the disks.

Date Posted: 4/28/2010 12:30 PM ET
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That is my post you are quoting.To clarify my post - if you could separate the audio books and end up with something in postable form that the receiver cannot tell the difference on if they received one sold separately or as part of a pack, then I would consider them separate books and credits could be asked for up to the # of books present. If they can not be separated without it looking like a piece of something larger, then I would be consider it 1 book and only 2 credit. 

I guess I look at is as "is it a collection or a set?" To me, a set is just 3 separate books that are packaged and sold together, a collection is 3 books sold as 1 product. Audio books get messier than paper books because one binding vs separate bindings is much more clear on paper books, but I think the intent of the product should be fairly clear on the audio book.   I have had sets of audio where you just slide book A out of the box and it is a completely separate thing - that is what I'd consider a set eligible to ask for credits for each book. I have had collections where I have one big binder and all the disks are in there together, that to me is one "binding", one book.

Always, when in doubt, send in feedback and ask the Team for an official ruling on your case.

Date Posted: 4/28/2010 1:09 PM ET
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I get what your saying Melanie and I agree with you but there is a gray area here that I was curious about. Here's an example of my problem with this-

I just received this set yesterday.

There are 3 books, 12 disks in separate white envelopes, each books disks are labeled 1-4. They came together in 1 box labeled as above with 1 ISBN for the SET. I paid 2 credits for it. When I repost it I will ask 2 credits for it.

The member in the Bazaar is asking 4 credits for a similar box collection. (I had the exact set he is offering and it was packaged just like my example) I think that is wrong. However, I could easily split the set into separate books and post them w/out ISBNs and ask for 2 credits for each book (because audios do not have to have a box) receiving 6 credits for the one box set.

I guess my problem with this is-I think the set should only "sell" for 2 credits the PBS rules seem to say the same thing. However, technically you could ask for 6 credits because the PBS rules seem to say that as well. Therefore, the member who is asking for 4 credits is entitled to ask for 4 credits and I was wrong to tell him he should not?

 

 
 

 

Date Posted: 4/28/2010 2:49 PM ET
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The site does allow us to break up a boxed set and list it as individual books -- it sounds as if the member is breaking them up and offering them in the Book Bazaar, as mentioned here:

 

How do I post my 'boxed set' of books?

If each of the books bears a unique ISBN, you can Post each as a separate entity

  • this way, you will earn a credit for each.

If the "box" holding the boxed set bears an ISBN, you can post with that number, BUT

  • this way, you will earn only ONE credit for the SET.

There is not a way to post the books individually yet require one member to take all of them and award you all of the credits for the one bulk request.

If you do post the books individually and want to send them all to one member:

  • you can start a topic in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum to advise members that you have a boxed set.
  • Another member may be glad to learn of this and request all of the books from you using the bulk request "order more books from this member" feature.