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Subject: Question for Diana Palmer fans
Date Posted: 1/4/2010 2:45 PM ET
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I read a couple of her books and really like them.  Then I ran into a couple where the heroine was TSTL (too stupid to live).  I found those books really annoying.  Were those two books representative of her books or did I have a run of bad luck there?  I am so hoping those two TSTL books are not examples of her writing style because I bought 35 of her books from a buddy here.

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 2:54 PM ET
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I haven't read any of her books, but from comments I've seen, a common carp is that the heroine is TSTL/doormat virgin. I could be wrong....hope you're not SOL!

(Eeek! cute dog! Cairn, right? I gots me one, too!)

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 3:41 PM ET
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(Eeek! cute dog! Cairn, right? I gots me one, too!)

Close, but he's actually a Norwich Terrier.  But, don't tell him that because  he thinks he's my son.

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 4:03 PM ET
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No, not all of the stories are like that. I've read a few of hers that i really enjoyed and a few i didn't care for.

Some complain about the heroine always being virginal and the hero always being so much older. I guess it's a matter of preference because i actually enjoy the older man/younger woman scenerio.



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Date Posted: 1/4/2010 5:12 PM ET
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The older, more experienced, commitment-avoiding man is often a Diana Palmer staple. As is the virginal, innocent (not TSTL) heroine. It's a formula that works for her. But it may not be your cuppa.

Some authors can do experienced, worldly women who are also vulnerable for the right alpha male. Lora Leigh comes to mind. She does alpha heroines combined with alpha heroes. HOT stuff!

But DP is all about nice girls who find themselves attracted to testosterone-laden alpha males and can't begin to imagine that he would be attracted to her. I think that one reason her books are so popular is that most of us can relate to the heroine. We can remember being young once, doubtful that we could ever attract the attention of the captain of the football team. We love the fantasy that under all that beefcake and self confidence, he's a vulnerable, sweet guy, tired of women who demand his attention as their due. He wants that shy, quiet girl who would appreciate being the center of his world, but never expects it.

I do occasionally want to reach into the pages and strangle the heroine for tolerating the hero's attitude and not standing up for herself. But to do battle with him would not be characteristic for a woman who has never been bullied before. It makes it that much more fun when she finally reaches the breaking point and gets in his face. It blows our macho hero right out of the water.

One of my favorite DP stories is Sutton's Way (recently re-issued in The Winter Man duology). She's a virgin, but kinda worldly as the lead singer in a rock band. He's a virgin widower who couldn't stand to sleep with wife he'd married when she was pregnant. It's a great story!

Another atypical DP: Regan's Pride. She's the widow he blames for the death of his cousin. He had taken her viginity and lost his own at the same time, then listened to his evil, twisted cousin's lies about her. This is a wonderful story about a woman healing from abuse and a man racked with guilt for allowing it to happen and for emotionally abusing her himself.

Colleen

CORRECTION: I got my DP plots mixed up! In Regan's Pride, Ted was attracted to Corrie, but felt the 16-year difference in their ages was too much, leaving the field wide open for his competitive cousin. The plot I was thinking of concerning the virgin hero is Rawhide and Lace. His self doubt was fed by his competitive brother who wanted the heroine. But she ran to New York where she lost the hero's baby in a car accident that crippled her... Another tearjerker!



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Date Posted: 1/4/2010 6:42 PM ET
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Thanks for those descriptions, Colleen. I have only read one book by Diana Palmer and really enjoyed it. I think Regan's Pride would appeal to me... I love it when the guy has to win the girl back. :)

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 8:29 PM ET
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I love Diana Palmer books!  Most of her heroines are pretty smart.  Yeah, there are a few TSTL but most of her heorines are virgins with little relationship experience so they're smart is some ways but not in others.

Her books definitely follow a formula but I love them.  I will devour the book in one sitting when I get my hands on a new one.

Date Posted: 1/6/2010 1:35 PM ET
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She's my guilty-pleasure read. 

Date Posted: 1/6/2010 4:17 PM ET
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Agree with Dawn.  Guilty pleasure.  The heroines are almost always TSTL and the hero's jerks but what the heck. 

Subject: Diana Palmer
Date Posted: 1/8/2010 7:46 AM ET
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Colleen - I couldn't have explained DP better myself. Another strong female character is Alice Jones in her most recent title, The Maverick. Harley isn't (quite) her typical alpha male either. That might be another to test, if you're feeling you found a few too many of her TSTL. Another that had a strong female character is Brianna in King's Ransom,  part of a short story collection titled Royal Weddings. 



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Date Posted: 1/8/2010 3:27 PM ET
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TY, Heather. I did enjoy Maverick although I thought Alice's gallows humor was more apparent in her previous appearances. And Harley... well Harley is the affable sidekick and kind of an anti-hero. Since his intro in Winter Soldier where he thought he was the cock o' the walk until his reality check was cashed, he's been big brother and really sweet guy to lots of heroines. But he must have been man enough to make a few heroes jealous. LOL

Writing about DP, I had to reread Regan's Pride. Of course, I cried. I do every time. *sniff, sniff*

Colleen

Date Posted: 1/9/2010 12:02 AM ET
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The book that really brought this home for me was Heartless, the story of Gracie and Jason.  For most of the book Jason acted like a total jerk and Gracie like she was TSTL.  She was all freaked out about sex because her father was cruel to her mother so she thought all men were cruel to women during sex.  What made it so unbelievable was that Gracie had a sister who was recently married.  Now, don't you think that Gracie would have talked to her sister about this?  Gracie also had several women friends who she didn't talk to.  By the time I was half way through the book I was ready to throw Gracie off a cliff and kick Jason in the butt.

Subject: Like her but not my favorite...
Date Posted: 1/9/2010 12:41 AM ET
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I was hooked on her books for a while... I really enjoyed most of the ones I read (with a few exceptions).  But, what bothered me is that after reading about 12 or so of her books, there were no longer any surprises... no longer anything at all different... too predictable. Now, most of the ones I read were older books, and I suspect as with most writers her writing probably matured a bit. But, I've moved on to other authors now and haven't looked back.

Amy

Date Posted: 1/9/2010 2:13 AM ET
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I don't think you're missing anything, Amy - I think her writing has seriously deteriorated in recent years, possibly because of her poor health. There's a lot of repetition and errors.

Date Posted: 1/9/2010 3:37 AM ET
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well darn I might have to read  Hearltess now! have to wait til I'm in the mood though..but these I'm scared of sex and it's so awful but I never wonder why 99% of the population keeps doing it duh books are right up my sarcastic alley sometimes!

Date Posted: 1/9/2010 6:43 PM ET
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I have to disagree with Kate. I have a very affectionate, demonstrative family and we're very close. But we take our cues from our parents. If sex was not a topic of conversation in our homes as children, we're less likely to discuss issues openly.

I have 3 sisters including one who is my book-sharing buddy. Sis and I may share erotic books, but we've never had a conversation about our own sex lives, our parents' sexuality, or men.

So I don't find Gracie's lack of knowledge and her private fears totally unrealistic. TSTL? No, just innocent in a way that we all were before the "sexual revolution." And yes, there are still families that don't watch racy movies or read erotic books.

Colleen

Date Posted: 1/9/2010 7:46 PM ET
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It's definitely an life experience thing sometimes about whether a character's knowledge (or lack therefo) is believable or not.   My loving and reasonably healthly childhood household completely lacked sex education to the point where:

a) It took me until late teens to figure out that people were naked for sex (really!)   Knew about the sperm/egg thing by  6th grade, the actual mechanism by which they joined was a mystery.  I thought the sperm where awfully strong swimmers to make through all that clothing!

b)  At age 18 my understanding of female antamony was so poor, I thought there was only 1 orfice down there. I had to look up stuff in a book and I think it took me about an hour (still) to put a tampoon in.

 In fairness to my folks, my mother is a nurse and my Dad thought she was taking care of the sex ed with her girls.  My mother is extremely guarded about sex -- I don't think I've ever really had a discussion about it at all.   My mom probably thought school was taking care of my education. (A wild and crazy notion!!)

My elementary/middle school only ever did the menstration talk.  My high school had a specific sexuality class, but never ran enough classes for the student body.  (It was wildly popular and there was a lottery system to get in!!) They finally instuitued a mandatory health class, but I was grandfathered out of the requirement by the time they added it.

My sister and girlfriends were not really into talking about that stuff other in the most superficial of ways.

So there you have it:  how a (sort of) sane women make it to adulthood while learning zippo about her sexuality.  I caught up fast after 18, though, and thankfully met a nice guy in close to the same boat sexually.  I married him, too. ;)

Date Posted: 1/9/2010 9:54 PM ET
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shoot my jr high sex ed covered all the plumbing but I had no idea and I mean NO idea that the stuff they were doing on our newly acquired cable tv showtime and movie channel related to that egg fertilizing business! I was pretty naive big time.

I always think of TSTL as when the heroine has no common sense..like she's a librarian with no martial arts training or anything..a terrorist is after her, the army ranger/navy seal hero is protecting her..he puts her somewhere safe to go take care of things and not only does she not stay where he puts her but she almost gets both of them killed trying to jump in front of the bad guy to protect the hero who doestn' need protecting. and that mystery I read a few days ago I think she was borderline - supposed smart enough to finish vet school yet finds a dead body, knows the police aren't that interested in solving the case, yet continues to question 'suspects' and thinks everyone 'did it' when she as an experiienced PI telling her it's dangerous..even ignores the warnings the bad guys leave her.

Date Posted: 1/13/2010 7:59 PM ET
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Her older books are really better.  The last few have been the same story but with different names.  And you can tell by my nickname, I am a huge fan.  I want to keep it honest though.  I have all of her books, except for the one that nobody seems to have.