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Subject: Question--Please Help
Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:15 PM ET
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I want to know how to handle this situation I see often here in the Book Bazaar and other book genre forums.  Many of the offers state something like "must be on your WL on auto-request".  Why do people do this?  My WL is currently full, and I have many more than 200 books I want--I cannot add random books to my WL when it's full.  I've tried PMing people and telling them that my WL is full and that I'll buddy them credits and send my address.  Sometimes people are OK with that, and sometimes I get told NO that they won't do that.  Can someone explain the reasoning behind the "must be on your WL on auto-request" demand and why someone wouldn't accept buddied credits?

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Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:26 PM ET
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I am in the same boat as you: full WL.  When this is requested, I also PM and ask if I can buddy the credits instead.  I have the added complication that I have RCs, and if I turn them off for the period it takes for them to create a transaction, another book for which I WANT the RCs applied that is on AutoRequest may not have them applied.  It's tough for members like us when other members insist on having a WL transaction...

However, some members want to keep records of the books they send out, and if they send it from a person's WishList, then an official transaction can be traced and historically searched.  Also, notes can be attached to the book in the transaction so they can leave a note for themselves about the transaction.  So sometimes members will insist that the book(s) be added to WL.

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:27 PM ET
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I can think of a few reasons.

First, I prefer at least one book in a deal or multiple WL order go through the PBS system.  Although most people here are honest and I am confident they would work through any issues, having at least one book going through the system gives both the sender and the receiver an additional layer of security and accountability.

Second, if the WL book I am offering is not important enough to you for you to have it in your top 200 books that you want, then I'd rather the book go to someone else who is already wishing for it.  I have even seen people who will only send a WL book to someone who had it on their WL before the sender listed it in the Multiple WL thread....not to somebody who wasn't already wishing for.

And third, the reason people want it on auto is so that they only have to wait the one-hour buyer's remorse period, not wait up to 2 days for the requester to accept it.

I'm sure there are a few other reasons as well.

Sianeka - ,
Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:33 PM ET
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Christa is sending some books to me, and I made room on my WL for one of the books to be posted through the system.  She was quite understanding and gracious about letting me only have the one book added, instead of all of them.  The book I added was on my list of "Books to be added to WL" but wasn't yet on there, because the WL isn't big enough to hold ALL the books I want. LOL 

Just because a book isn't already on someone's WL doesn't mean they aren't in line Wishing for it already... they just haven't been able to make the "wish" official yet. *grin*

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:33 PM ET
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Christa -

I think you hit the nail on the head with your reasons. Those combined with just wanting the track record in case you need to refer to it some time is desireable. I know that at times I have so many books coming and going and so many "deals" or conversations with other members that I cannot keep it all straight if I couldn't go back and track it.

I don't think it is something to be offended about or even frustrated with.

Marilyn

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:42 PM ET
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First, I prefer at least one book in a deal or multiple WL order go through the PBS system.  Although most people here are honest and I am confident they would work through any issues, having at least one book going through the system gives both the sender and the receiver an additional layer of security and accountability.

I totally don't get how there is any risk for someone doing it outside the PBS system if I am buddying someone credits when I place the order.  If anything I am the one taking the risk, as I am trusting the other person to send the books to me.  There is no risk to the sender, as they already have the credits.

As for books not being "important enough" to be in someone's top 200--well, maybe I could understand that if I didn't have 3 kids for whom I'm also trying to get books.  My 200 WL is not just "MY" wishlist--it's my kids' as well.  For someone like me, also, the 200 WL limit is not enough.  I've currently read 75 books in 68 days of 2011, so I go through books quickly.  Many of the books on my WL have not even been published yet, or are so rare that they rarely appear here at PBS, so saying that something's not "important enough" to be on my top 200 just doesn't make sense to me. 

As for you saying you'd rather someone who'd been wishing for it a while have the book, I understand that sentiment totally.  However, the only way to make sure the person who has wanted the book the longest gets it is to post it through FIFO--not through the Book Bazaar.  Usually people who post books in the Bazaar want to save on shipping with combined orders, not make sure the longest wishers get their books first.

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:44 PM ET
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I have found it doesn't matter if a book is on someone's wishlist.  You can click on ANY book (on their wishlist) to post, then change the ISBN to the book you have.  Once you verify it's correct and post, it will post to that person.



Last Edited on: 3/9/11 4:46 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:48 PM ET
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Hmmmm KG....that's an interesting solution.  I've never heard that. I assume the system does not take the random book that you clicked on off their WL?

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:50 PM ET
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I know it sucks when your WL is full-- mine is too.  I have to readjust my WL when someone wants the books to go on auto-request.  I just delete the books that I am last in line for & then once the new auto-requested books go through, I put the other books BACK onto my WL.

It's worked for me so far!  Maybe I have just been lucky to get back in line for those books fairly easily without more people jumping in ahead of me.

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:50 PM ET
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KG, I didn't know that would work!

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 4:59 PM ET
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I just went to check my WL numbers--I currently have 55 books that have yet to be published on my WL, and 31 books that are meant for my kids.  I really have a hard time with the 200 WL limit.



Last Edited on: 3/9/11 5:15 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/9/2011 5:21 PM ET
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As for you saying you'd rather someone who'd been wishing for it a while have the book, I understand that sentiment totally.  However, the only way to make sure the person who has wanted the book the longest gets it is to post it through FIFO--not through the Book Bazaar.  Usually people who post books in the Bazaar want to save on shipping with combined orders, not make sure the longest wishers get their books first.

 
 
Good point.  If the goal was to protect and preserve the FIFO for WL books, then we would not have the multiples thread at all.   Because all the multiples thread is --under the guise of a deal-- an opportunity to jump ahead in line, if you are already in line for the book.  Or just completely avoid the line at all.  First come, first served.


Last Edited on: 3/9/11 5:22 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/9/2011 5:24 PM ET
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Christa is sending some books to me, and I made room on my WL for one of the books to be posted through the system.

Thanks for doing that, Sianeka....and I didn't even fuss about your RC's! 

 I know that at times I have so many books coming and going and so many "deals" or conversations with other members that I cannot keep it all straight if I couldn't go back and track it

That's another really good point, Marilyn.  I sent out nine packages last week.  One person had already buddied me the credits before she asked if it was okay and I almost forgot about her order because it wasn't on my "Requested from Me" page to print the wrapper.  Which brings up another good point...when people buddy credits without it going through the system, it's a pain to create a label using the Mail to a Friend or hand-write one, or whatever you have to do.

Assuming that the tip KG posted works without removing the "random" book from someone's WL, that's the perfect solution for everybody. Anybody care to help me with a little test of that?

 



Last Edited on: 3/9/11 5:29 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/9/2011 5:32 PM ET
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Hey Christa, you can try it on me.  Use The Sharpe Companion, by Mark Adkin, since I am last in line anyway, in case it gets deleted.

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 5:51 PM ET
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I posted a book called "Alexander" to you using Sharpe's Companion, and it looks like it took Sharpe's Companion off your WL.   Alexander should now be offered to you. 

 

ETA:  You must have declined Alexander.  It was on my WL Hold tab for a little while, then it disappeared from there.



Last Edited on: 3/9/11 5:54 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/9/2011 5:53 PM ET
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Doh!  It does delete the WL book.  I checked the WL before I accepted or declined, and the book on my WL was gone.  So then after I declined the book (since it was just a test) I went back to my WL and the book is still gone.

Well, at least it's good to know! LOL

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 5:56 PM ET
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Yea..I wondered if it would put Sharpe back on your WL.  I wonder if you had accepted and then I canceled, would it have put Sharpe back on your WL?  or would it have put Alexander on your WL?  I think I'm too confused to find out!  All I know is that it does remove the "random" book from your WL.

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 6:02 PM ET
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Hmmmm.  Now it won't let me add the book back to my WL.   It keeps saying "Unable to add this book to the WL".  It's not that I have 200, or that I'm maxed out.  I think *it* thinks it's still on my WL, but I sure don't see it.  

Either way, I would not recommend doing it that way.  It looks like it can mess things up a bit.

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 6:04 PM ET
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Until the recent change with the Mail to a Friend option, if I wanted a PBS label - sometimes postage paid - the only way to do that was to be able to post to the Wish List. Now we can do that through Mail to a Friend, but many people aren't aware of that change and sometimes its more futzing than some people want to go through.

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 6:54 PM ET
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I can see wanting the convenience of printing a label.  I guess, to me, it just depends on how badly you want the credits.  If I wanted to save on shipping and needed the credits, hand writing a label would not be an issue for me, but I know that's personal preference.

As Melanie said, too, Mail to a Friend is always another option.

As for keeping records and track of the books, I keep the PMs until the person lets me know they got them.  That's all the record I need.

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 11:15 PM ET
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No one mentioned the fact that you can only transfer 50 credits per month.  If someone is selling 50 credits every month (as some people are) I'm not sure it would let you buddy them a credit.  So that might be an issue as well. 

Date Posted: 3/9/2011 11:30 PM ET
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sassy,  that limit is only one way - tranferring to other members. There is no limit on receiving credits from other members.